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 8:57 am on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

Ok we all know that inktomi is about as consistant as the uk weather, but this is really getting ridiculous.

like everyone I've been busily submitting my new doorways to inktomi and was very releaved to see them all indexed YESTERDAY, what a turn around, I couldn't believe it, submitted on the 9/8 indexed on the 10/8, all clients on first page.

Today GONE, does anybody have any idea of how to get a site indexed on both database's or is it just pure luck. As I've noticed some sites do seem to be on both database's all the time.

I have noticed that when my clients site's are showing they normally rank well within top 5, higher than those consistantly in the database, but it seens my sites get dropped but not them.

anyone one else finding this to be the case.



 9:09 am on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)


Are you sure they have gone? Or have they disappeared because of some new VERY weird algo they are using?

I thought all my pages had gone but they are in there somewhere!

Let me know what you find out - I want to know what they are doing - as do we all!


 9:28 am on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)


this is all very strange, I checked and can't find any listing at all for my clients. perhaps we should give moulder and scully and ring

do you have any thoughts on why the same sites seem to be hanging around, no matter which database is up and running

Did you check to see if the sites under your rankings for makemetop were still there ?


 9:54 am on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

Yes - all the sites are there but their rankings have gone! Simplest one to check on (because there are not too many sites) is my site for the Railway Preservation Society of Ireland. For the phrase 'Irish steam trains' they were always in the top 2 or 3 - now vanished with 2 German sites (who do sell videos about Irish steam trains)in position 1 & 2 then sites about garden railways, australian steam trains, the West Clare railway and Irish jigs! Then Yahoo entries (which seem right for the RPSI listing in Yahoo) then stuff about transport systems Irish Ferries, harbours in Ireland - but Irish steam trains not a sight. However type in "Irish steam trains" and they are #1 of 1 site! Same thing with a load of customers. Had a double glazing manufacturer who had #1 listing with that phrase (with or without 's') and top 10 for 'double glazing'. Vanished in to the few thousand sites listed - but site is still there. I've lost no sites over night just all the rankings have turned topsy-turvy. Thing is what do we do? At least before when customers disappeared we could tell them about the DB and they were believing us because the sites re-appeared in the same positions. Now the sites are there - but at position 1,000?! That's a LOT worse!!!


 10:01 am on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

For what it's worth - I think still think that they are doing something with 'age of site' - sites in old DB taking preference over sites in new DB. It doesn't appear to be on 'date stamp' of last update of the listed page - but the date of the first time that particular web site entered the Inktomi DB. That is the only reason why I can see that a government site in Ottawa ranks higher for 'makemetop' with their link to my site than my own site does!


 10:27 am on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

just had one of those phone calls, from a client "where's my rankins gone", I'm sure they don't beleave me when i try to explane whats happening.

but their again I don't know !!!

should we be re-submitting again ? or would inktomi class that as spamming

at least with AV sites stay around for a while once indexed, I have a site that i submitted in may and is still number one.

perhaps we should all start mass e-mailing inktomi asking when there going to resolve this situation

Edited by: tigger


 10:31 am on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

This is what I see using Freeserve;

On searches which produced more that 4/5000 [approx.] matches their are *no* pages with a date stamp after 27th June, at least in the top 50.

Once the number of matches falls below this threshold [i.e. less competitive terms], later pages show themselves.
To take double glazing as an example:

double glazing: pages returned 7725, latest date of pages in top 50 27th June

double glazing manufacturer : pages returned 1007 latest date of pages in top 50 27th July


 10:46 am on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)


so would this imply that the small database is back up and running and AGAIN !!! if so how do you get a site in. or even can you

or if this is an old database that inktomi use whilst yet again doing more work on the main one, it makes you wonder what they have to keep doing to it.


 11:16 am on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

>so would this imply that the small database

No, the full dB is there but where a certain numbers of pages returned for a search exceeds a value, then pages with a date stamp after 27 June are buried.

Try searching for your keywords, if the pages returned are over 4/5000 you won't find your site. Now add the company name or location to the search string to force the number of pages found down, can you see your site now?

Edited by: NFFC


 11:40 am on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)


some of my clients are still their but only under company name and thats only the case if their product/service is not within the domain.

do you have any idea why this keeps happening ?


 2:31 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

It appears that older sites stay in db2 while the newer ones are not there. A quick check revealed that sites after mid June are not in the new db. BTW yesterday the results from canada.com and msn were different. MSN had old info while canada had new.


 2:34 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)


Interesting and I agree with what you have found. However, I still feel something has happened to the relevence algo. The 'makemetop' one being the most obvious. Why do sites, which ARE in the old DB rank above 'makemetop.com' which, if you look at the title, description and content clearly is about 'makemetop' (co.uk version has dropped way down). Previously relevence was 100% (sometimes 99%) now has dropped to 97%. Sites with higher "relevence" are above the 'makemetop' listing (which I can understand) but why are they more relevent when they have little (or nothing) to do with the subject apart from listing a link? There are only 28 pages listed for that term.


 6:59 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

Something very strange is going on. I just did a search for a very popular term and got 327 results. There are usually hundreds of thousands of pages for this term.


 5:18 pm on Aug 21, 2000 (gmt 0)

in and out...

what about a resubmit? would it be like spam or just a way to try getting in the index again?


 5:31 pm on Aug 21, 2000 (gmt 0)


if it was me I would just wait, I don't think anyone is getting anything in,


 5:37 pm on Aug 21, 2000 (gmt 0)

I completely agree.

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