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INK Drifting IN / OUT at MSN
MSN on again/off again for INK large DB

 5:00 pm on Aug 9, 2000 (gmt 0)

For the past several hours MSN has been shuffling back and forth between INKs large (production DB) and the permanent DB.

I do my normal 'test' searches one time and all my pages appear, then five minutes later its back to the small DB with none of my supplemental pages.

I checked Canada.com a few times and they seem to be on the large DB all day sofar.

Anyone else seeing this?




 4:32 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)


thanks it's just a shame my clients don't understand that as well.

by the way tigger has 2 grrrrs in it as well :)


 4:47 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

tigger - caught and corrected (gg)

I think the most important part of this job going in the door is making sure the customer knows what the score is and give it to them in writing. (You know it's all going to fall apart a hundred times, isn't it better for the customer to learn that from you)

Part of why SEO pays well is, it's no cake walk. Give the customer the whole picture and there's less explaining later



 5:44 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)


Yea pour me a double.. It has been a terrible (also has two grrrr's :) )week

I only hope that they get their s*** sorted out soon.


 6:12 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

OK guys, someone needs to make the call to INK's Search Support. I'm willing to do it, but I've called Chris Barry so many times in recent weeks, I'm afraid he may stop accepting calls.

You can call the INK main number at (650)653-2800. Tell them you want Chris Barry in Search Support. Then tell Chris that you've noticed that pages indexed after June 27th appear to be ranking poorly. Ask him if this is a permanent adjustment or just temporary. Although, Chris is not a big talker, you can usually get a feeling about what's going on from him.

If nobody makes the call within a few hours, I'll do it. I just thought it would be nice for Chris to hear someone else's voice for a change.


 6:23 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)


Trust me, this will be fine just like all the other times INK and their portals have made changes.



 6:33 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

I think you're right, but there are a few differences this time. This time everything is still in the database, but just ranking poorly. Before the small DB was clearly down. I think you're right though. I mean if only pages that have been in the large DB (that are very old) rank well, it would be the demise of INK. I know that won't happen.
What can we think is OK from INK these days? Over the course of a month, how many up days are we getting? Maybe 15?


 7:21 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)


I see what you see - will get back to you ASAP. For what it's worth the pages in the "other" or "smaller" or "older" database seem to be ranking with the same INK algo

more soon



 8:52 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)


nice theory but, and it's a big but how on earth do you get into both, from what I've read the idea is if you can stay in the main one or big one what ever it's called then you should get into the other

The only problem i have and I don't think I'm alone with this is normally I'm lucky if I'm around for longer than a few days.

Jimmy 6

15 days ? is that how many days per month you spend trying to work out how to get back in or checking rankings to try and find your sites.

My day is rapidly centred around inktomi and firends and should be about do the fun things in this business like building sites.

well hopefully it will be back and running next week, but for how long.


 9:39 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)


Wish I had a magic answer for getting into Ink's permanent dB, although I've never managed to get anything to stick without external links. It's not a problem when the engine's stable , but as we've all seen over the last few weeks it can be up and down. I agree with the tenancy recently, some pages have been in and out within a couple of weeks, others are still there after nearly a month - I can hear the clock ticking down ;)

I try to spend as much time as possible working additional content and getting as many relevant links exchanged as I can. Takes time to filter through, but worth it in the long run.

I think that Steve's spot on that things will settle down; it's just frustrating whilst we're working through it.



 10:14 pm on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

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