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To re-submit or not to...

 1:44 am on May 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

I know this question has been kicked around a bunch in every SE forun on the net but:

Is anyone having any luck with re-submitting to Inktomi on a regular (weekly, monthly or whatever) basis to keep pages alive. We have pages that have never dropped out of Ink and under the same domain we have pages that drop about every six weeks or so. (the pages are the same except for keywords) The pages that drop kind of peel off one Ink search engine after another.

Is anyone re-submitting to Ink on a regular basis with success at keeping pages from dropping???

And, Brett, is this why you are adding the re-sumit feature to "The Collective"?




 2:34 pm on May 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

Here is what I do that is having some success: I keep a small "trickle" of submissions going to hotbot, anzwers, and canada.com. I spread them out and make sure never to resubmit a page that is already listed.
That means some leg work tracking down what is and isn't sticking. I do 2 or 3 urls per day from a domain that isn't listed. I also am cross linking the hell out of things pointing at pages that aren't listed (this also takes lots of work). I'm really getting into the cross linking thing with content pointing all over the place. (I gotta do that with this domain some time too). By cross linking, you are not just giving the spider something to follow, you are giving it something to 'think about'.

Here is the deal (from Carl): Ink is just like Google in that it wants to see a link to a page before it will index it. In the case of Ink, the shelf life is reduced to 45 days and Google will never index it at all. This is why we are having trouble getting BL pages to stick in Ink - and why I've got dozens upon dozens of cloaked pages pointing just at BL pages (that is what I've been up to for the last two weeks). I hope I can get the cloaked pages themselves to stick - once we do, hello to the illusive inktomi boost we've not really gotten yet.

So yes, resubmit the ones that fall out. Also resubmit those domains that aren't in Yahoo about every 3 months. Even if Yahoo doesn't list it, they get passed to Inktomi! Someone called it a Yahoo back door, and it kinda is in a sense.

btw:I couldn't believe this same post got locked in that other forum.


 5:26 pm on May 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

Just to back up what Brett said, here's a quote from Daryl Rosen of Inktomi's Partner Services

"The amount of inbound links to your URL has significant importance in staying indexed. URLs that do not contain more than one link to them from other domains may not survive more than one refresh cycle (about every 3 - 4 weeks)"


 12:32 am on Jun 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

Brett - This may be a rookie question, but here goes anyway... When you say your are "cross linking the hell out of things" what exactly do you mean, and why is this important? I have one primary domain and 3 other virtual domains (all share the same IP address). Each virtual domain is essentially a doorway page that offers unique content and links to my main url. But all links from the virtual domains go only in one direction... to my main url. However, each of the individual virual domains are cross linked to each other. Would it help my link pop to have links going out of my main url to each doorway page and even other popular sites related to my subject? Also, should I use invisible gifs to link out of my main page to these other sites? I guess the bottom line is I really don't understand the value of cross linking.



 1:51 am on Jun 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

cross linking: just links within the site linking between pages. Making sure that every page on a domain has atleast two other pages linking to it. When considering the number of cross links, you should throw out your standard menu style links that may point at the page too.

SE's are counting linking, some of them (remaining nameless at this point) are dumb enough to actually count "in site" links too. Ink is using insite linkage as a gauge of how important a page is to the site itself. The theory is that if a page has only one link, it isn't that important. (how dumb is that?).

So, cross link it to death. It gets tricky trying to do it properly without the appearance of "hey, I'm just linking here for the sake of linking here", but it can be done. I've always tried to work in as many insite links as possible, but I'm stepping that up with every page built.


 3:01 am on Jun 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

This makes more sense now. As you've said before, I guess the key is to have many pages of content per unique domain. Then, cross link them all together.



 2:23 pm on Jun 2, 2000 (gmt 0)

I've often thought about doing cross linking with 1 pixel images. My menu structure is set up for three levels. The second level has the main categories. I'm considering a sitemap to "bind it all together" so that any page is close to any other page. But like everything else, no time!


 2:31 pm on Jun 2, 2000 (gmt 0)

re 1 pixel images

I'm doing it, and it seems to work. But I suggest changing that size from 1x1 as it's too common a ploy and might easily be "tuned out" by the algos.


 10:37 pm on Jun 2, 2000 (gmt 0)

As long as you don't include the height and width tags in the img src, there's no way that a search engine can tell what size the image is.

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