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 10:07 am on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

Ok we all have our views on whether to pay or not, but should this systems work it's not bad value for money.

So credit card in hand I've been to psition tech's site and completed the initial form, next section where it asks for additional domaines is confusing me.

Under the heading "Do Not Submit" there are 3 warnings first one I'm ok with (do not submit without little or no content) it's the other two which are throwing me out.

Number 2 - do not submit pages which redirect - I have in the past always used doorways and in the good old days when ink was a helpful SE had a good result using them and redirecting using javascript to the main site. does anyone know if a meta refresh will be treated in the same way ?.

Number 3 - do not submit pages which exceed 150 characters - does this mean 150 on the visible page or the total for the entire html source, if so, if you follow the guidelines laid down by WPG's critic it would be very hard if not impossible to produce a doorway fitting all these criteria which would score well under this new system.

Has anyone yet submitted a doorway ?

cheers, from a drying out uk SEO



 10:25 am on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

>Number 2 - anyone know if a meta refresh will be treated in the same way ?.

It's still a redirect.

>Number 3 - do not submit pages which exceed 150 characters

I think they may mean the URL.


 11:04 am on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)



I'll have work on making my doorways look a little more pretty.

As for number 3 I'll blame that on a heavy weekend and not engaging brain ;)

If anyone's interested to hear how I get on let me know.


 11:13 am on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

Tigger, please keep us updated. It is important to know the results.


 1:18 pm on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

Yes, tigger, please share your progress.

No matter what I feel about this Inktomi change, it is important and we all need to come to terms with it.


 3:29 pm on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

credit card in hand submitted 3 all new all singing doorways.the story begin's ;)


 5:10 pm on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

Tigger - keep us posted...



 7:00 pm on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)


so far getting a good responce/service from Position Tech submitted the pages and recived e-mail notification confirming they are looking at the URL.

One nice touch within their subscribers page is it offers under list/edit category a rating on the page for word count being poor, medium & good, fortunately all three of my pages came in good :) and it also gives information on when page is indexed by ink.

I also sent them an e-mail shortly afterwards,just asking for something to confirmed and received an e-mail back within 30 mins. Not a bad service!

It's a shame my web hosts can't offer me access to my logs, as they're having problems, perhaps their water logged ;) (sorry just had to get that joke in)


 8:09 pm on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

Steve & Tigger;

I submitted on Nov. 2, thru PositionTech and sofar I am elated.

Like Tigger, I sent them an email (and phone call later) and received exceptional service. Quite a difference from trying to work direct with INK.

My pages showed up on Nov. 5 and sofar positions are as good or better than they were earlier this year before the mass changes.
I consider their fee quite resonable, especialy if it eliminates the many hour spent each month resubmitting to keep a page in the DB.



 8:53 pm on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)


how many of ink's partners are showing your site ? I have one client that's really keen to get into canada/anzwers

I'm looking forward to seeing what type of ranking's my doorways get hopefully if it's anything like earlier on this year I should get some good results.


 10:32 pm on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)


Most of the Ink portals that I have checked show at least two of the three pages I submitted thru PositionTech and several show all three including MSN. Positions are as good or better than previously when we were all able to submit thru Canada or Anzwers with good results.

I found the folks at PositionTech very willing and quick to help when I had an initial problem and sofar the results have been as promised.

At least two of the three sites I submitted are in Canada and Anzwers. Submitted 11-2-00 late in the evening. Results started showing up yesterday AM.

I am quite pleased with the results sofar. I guess we will have to accept the fact that there are few free lunches on the WWW these days and probably alot fewer in days to come. Don't like it much, but I can accept the fact that everyone in the chain has to make a buck somehow.



 2:50 pm on Nov 7, 2000 (gmt 0)

My experience with this whole fiasco has been far from satisfactory. I submitted my main page for admission into this holy directory on 11/03. My account is still sitting there awaiting authorization as of 11/07. I called them at Position Pro yesterday and talked to the guy in charge, supposedly. I also called my bank to verify the charge(s). PP says they can't run the $20 charge on my card - my bank says they have run it twice. :( I was told by the rep I spoke with at PP that they would override the system and put my site in queue for listing, well that still hasn't been done to my knowledge. There has been no spider activity in my logs that would

Is it possible that they only have ONE person designated to handle the financial doings of this huge undertaking? When I called to get some information they told me that he was out to lunch and NO ONE else could help me. I am not putting one more dime into this until I get some action. Actually I probably won't anyway as I do not like the way this is being handled. I would think that there would be a much bigger operation handling this program or at least one that can get the job done! I hate being this negative and I am still hoping that this will pan out but I'm thinking it's not going to happen. This was a test by us to see if paying Ink would be worth it... need I say more?


 3:12 pm on Nov 7, 2000 (gmt 0)


I have similar concerns you do get the impression that this is all run on someone's laptop, although I have parted with some cash until I see rankings my $40 is all they will get.

My experence so far has been very good and I can't complain, but as I live in the uk I think a phone call is out of the question.

If I do need to complain anyone across the water fancy picking up the gauntlet ;)


 9:14 pm on Nov 7, 2000 (gmt 0)

According to the submission stats page on their system my site has been submitted but I still have not detected any activity from their end, at least not what anyone else has seen when they've been spidered. I'll keep ya posted if there's anything to say.


 8:24 am on Nov 8, 2000 (gmt 0)

It's wednesday morning the sun's out for a change and so are my doorways :)

Just checked with all the SE's and all have picked up, so far, with one doorway ranking at #2. AOL nothing, looksmart has picked up on another doorway and has that at #3

So hopefully if the rest of the doorways show today and if they come in with the same ranking and stay around for longer than 5 minutes I would say that's $40 well spent.

What a nice way to start the day, not used to this ;)


 2:41 pm on Nov 8, 2000 (gmt 0)


Are only the pages you paid for doing well??? Or, has there been a ripple effect???



 2:58 pm on Nov 8, 2000 (gmt 0)

no sight of my other doorways at all steve, but I didn't really expect to see them.

I only submitted 3 and so far most are ranking well (in top 5) using WPG page critic, I'm now just going to hold back and see what happens over the next few months, as lets face it we've all over the past had and lost rankings with our friend Inktomi.

I know in theory so long as I keep on top of any changes in algos I should keep the rankings, I just want to make sure before I cotact my clients and tell them to get their credit cards out.

Looksmart is the only one not showing anything, any thoughts ?


 9:32 pm on Nov 8, 2000 (gmt 0)

<Are only the pages you paid for doing well??? Or, has there been a ripple effect??? >

I tried a test: for one site I submitted the index page only, but it was linked to all the doorway pages.
The other site I submitted the index page as well as 8 doorway pages.

Both sites were indexed within a day and a half, but only the paid doorways showed up. I figured as much, otherwise it would have been way to easy!


 9:48 pm on Nov 8, 2000 (gmt 0)

I don't think there's anyway to cheat the system, basically you only get in what you pay for.

It makes you wonder if the other portals for submitting to inktomi will become redundant.

did you get good rankings on the doorways ? and has anything showed up on looksmart ?


 1:21 pm on Nov 9, 2000 (gmt 0)

I appear to be getting "pre-June 27th" rankings on the doorways, which are fairly decent. I started tweaking a few of them to see if their position changes after the 48 hour respider.


 1:44 am on Nov 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

Ok... now my information page at Position Pro says my site has been included. I see that finally snuck onto my server and snagged my page. Now... how long after this will the page show up as an updated listing in Ink's partners? Anyone know?



 4:29 am on Nov 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

Jill, looks like it has been within two days for most folks.

Has anyone noticed link popularity being more of an influence lately?


 3:43 pm on Nov 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

Thanks littleman I'll let ya know when mine updates. Now off to work on the other SEs...


 10:56 am on Nov 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

Just for the record we have had great service via fast email responses through PT. We had a problem with the first credit card info being rejected, but all seems to have been fixed up.


 8:16 pm on Nov 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

Bit the bullet and plunked down $20 to submit a page to PT. It was indexed in Ink in about 48 hours and appears to be drawing a half dozen or so hits each day from MSN. The rankings are ok ... trouble is that the keywords are just a little on the competitive side so they get buried by the many "directory pages" that supersede the secondary "web pages" results fed by Inktomi. It appears that the more competitive a keyword is, the more "directory pages" show up first.

So here's the problem as I see it ... if you go for competitive keywords you will be buried by "directory pages", even if you're in the top 5 on the Inktomi "web pages". If you go for non-competitive keywords, you won't be buried below the "directory pages" but you'll not get enough traffic to justify paying much.

Anyone else seeing a similar situation?

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