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Vint Cerf: Privacy May Be An Anomaly
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msg:4625021
 12:01 pm on Nov 21, 2013 (gmt 0)

Who am I to challenge Google's chief evangelist! The old days he refers may have been correct, but people would only be known by the few. Now, you are known by some faceless marketing department on the other side of the planet, and it's difficult to stop it, or to know who knows what about you. New forms of communications and technology have made it far more difficult to achieve privacy.

He's correct about one part. Yes, it's increasingly difficult to achieve, but that doesn't mean we should stop trying. In fact, we should be trying harder to achieve it.


Google's chief internet evangelist, Vint Cerf, suggests that privacy is a fairly new development that may not be sustainable. "Privacy may actually be an anomaly," Cerf said at an FTC event yesterday while taking questions. Elaborating, he explained that privacy wasn't even guaranteed a few decades ago: he used to live in a small town without home phones where the postmaster saw who everyone was getting mail from. "In a town of 3,000 people there is no privacy. Everybody knows what everybody is doing."Vint Cerf: Privacy May Be An Anomaly [theverge.com]

Rather than privacy being an inherent part of society that's been stripped away by new technology, Cerf says that technology actually created it in the first place. "Itís the industrial revolution and the growth of urban concentrations that led to a sense of anonymity," Cerf said. Cerf warned that he was simplifying his views ó "I don't want you to go away thinking I am that shallow about it" ó but overall, he believes "it will be increasingly difficult for us to achieve privacy."

 

martinibuster




msg:4625058
 1:12 pm on Nov 21, 2013 (gmt 0)

Well that's a convenient stance.

Samizdata




msg:4625067
 1:59 pm on Nov 21, 2013 (gmt 0)

Rather than privacy being an inherent part of society that's been stripped away by new technology, Cerf says that technology actually created it in the first place.

I'd say the technology that created privacy was the door bolt, which has been around quite a long time - the Ancient Egyptians even made a hieroglyph from it.

Maybe Vint Cerf should stay in more.

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lawman




msg:4625086
 2:11 pm on Nov 21, 2013 (gmt 0)

So is G the modern day version of the town busybody.

brotherhood of LAN




msg:4625116
 4:17 pm on Nov 21, 2013 (gmt 0)

Well that's a convenient stance.


Yeah, what a coincidence!


Considering nowadays you can't even be sure whether the network you're using is safe, I think it's a foregone conclusion for 99% of the planet that they are 'leaking' data one way or another.

Large players like G and Facebook are in the business of getting to know people better and are at the forefront of eroding anonymity, given all that they track and would like to track.

There will need to be clearer distinctions on what is pubic and what is not public wherever we go online. For instance, I would hope private messages (messenger, email, in-site messengers) can actually remain private. It certainly seems like a number of years ago when Gmail was released and was scanning emails for content (9 years ago apparently).

phranque




msg:4625152
 6:13 pm on Nov 21, 2013 (gmt 0)

when the postmaster in our town of a few thousand knew everybody's mail it was one trusted individual who held the position until retirement and who wasn't recording all that information and selling it.

perhaps that was the anomaly.

bwnbwn




msg:4625182
 7:28 pm on Nov 21, 2013 (gmt 0)

when the postmaster in our town of a few thousand knew everybody's mail it was one trusted individual who held the position until retirement and who wasn't recording all that information and selling it.

May have not been selling it but I know many that used it for other means..
Privacy is a word we all desire in our life besides the few friends that pass it to their few friends, that pass it to their few friends.
Privacy is thinking your neighbors don't know you like to partake in a nice smoke, privacy is the illusion your not know to have a few to many drinks. Privacy is not a part of the net with twitter, FB, and all the other cookies collecting your information.
Got a cell phone and your worried about privacy, please.

If you are a privacy nut, cut all internet, receive no mail to your address, throw away the cell phone, have no bank accounts, no charge cards, don't drive a car, have no friends or so called friends, don't have a job, and pay by cash.
Then you have a little more Privacy than the average Joe.

graeme_p




msg:4625383
 1:07 pm on Nov 22, 2013 (gmt 0)

My question to anyone who thinks that privacy is an anomaly/not needed/obsolete/whatever:

Can I come round and put some webcams up inside your house?

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