Good for Mark, I've no problem with it.
If you've never chopped off a chickens head and watched the headless body run squirting around the yard before collapsing, then you've missed the best part of the Sunday chicken dinner experience.
I'm all for steak houses to implement a "stun your own beef" night where just like picking as lobster from a tank, you pick your own cow and pop him in the head. When you can look the cow in the eye and put the stunner to his forehead and send him to the slaughter, only then do you really deserved a slice of the cow.
The sterilized shrink-wrapped mass produced grocery store meat separates people from the actual animal experience, it's more like a manufactured product. If you're going to be a carnivore you should have to kill something before being allowed to eat meat, people should have to get a carnivore license.
Most people couldn't do it, there'd be as lot more vegetarians which would be better for the planet anyway.
No, it's freakin' twisted.
Eating meat you kill yourself is everything you've said. But only eating meat you kill yourself, when the POINT is killing it yourself is frankly sick and depraved.
Taking a factory raised goat and killing it with a knife just so you can prove you killed it is wrong. It's not anywhere near the same as killing a deer you've hunted.
yeah, it might look the same. It's the intent that makes it all manner of wrong.
And I've killed plenty of farmed animals and eaten them. And I eat meat killed by others. And I hunt my own meat on occassion. But the idea of going to a factory farm and partaking the slaughter to prove a point? That makes me disturbed.
Fair enough. It does seem that many people don't appreciate the link between eating meat and killing animals.
Anyone care to split a cow?
|Taking a factory raised goat and killing it with a knife just so you can prove you killed it is wrong. It's not anywhere near the same as killing a deer you've hunted. |
My Dad would've disagreed, he worked on the cattle kill a few years killing the factory raised meat non-stop all day, besides killing what he raised.
Who cares if someone else dropped by to whack one?
Just one less for him to whack.
My Dad also left early for work, before the sun came up, and any 2 eyes that shined back in the road in middle of the night ended up in the back of the truck and on the table the next day. Not to mention anything that flew, hopped, or stepped on our property became fair game as well.
You never knew if you were having deer, possum, rabbit, pheasant, quail, goose, duck and even bullfrogs, anything you can imagine.
I don't care if he kills it as long as he eats it all, waste not want not.
Suddenly craving frogs legs
|you pick your own cow and pop him in the head. When you can look the cow in the eye and put the stunner to his forehead and send him to the slaughter, only then do you really deserved a slice of the cow. |
Careful. Those forehead-stunners are a terrific way to send bovine spongiform encephalitis coursing through the whole body.
And, er, ahem, cows are girls. The boys are bulls or steers, depending on whether or not they've got all the bits they were born with.
|It does seem that many people don't appreciate the link between eating meat and killing animals. |
The lack of appreciation goes even deeper than that. People don't often make the connection between agriculture and the relatively swift destruction of this planet's resources and animals.
Humans lived as hunter gatherers for about two hundred thousand years. For most of human existence we lived off the land. Then about thirteen thousand years ago humans developed agriculture and here we are. Even vegetarians are a part of the destruction of the planet because agriculture is the root and heart of it.
So if a culture based on agriculture is at the heart of where we are today, the notion that "going green" or vegetarian for the sake of the planet strikes me as a bit naive. I'm not saying vegetarians and "green" eco people are naive. Just that the notion that switching to that lifestyle is going to save our planet is naive. I doubt it is widely appreciated that anything short of going back to hunting and gathering is going to save this planet. ;)
[edited by: martinibuster at 2:24 am (utc) on May 27, 2011]
Ignorance is bliss when I don't know how my food gets to my table, but to actually go out and murder an animal with a knife is pretty awful.
|Ignorance is bliss when I don't know how my food gets to my table, but to actually go out and murder an animal with a knife is pretty awful. |
So instead of being the lion, you'd rather be a vulture picking off the scraps of those that actually do the killing, a scavenger and not a killer.
Doesn't he eat everyday. Must be spending a lot of time killing animals.
When does he get time to work?
or does he kill at work? I mean pop out of the office, kill an animal and then back to work..How does that work? Is so much blood lust the reason for his sucess? Scary thought.
When you've got real power, you command others to do the killing for you. You only kill when you really really want to. Or when something gets in your way.
We can't all be running around killing animals for our own food anyways. We are after all far too busy working to finalize the perfection of our society before October 21 :)
I killed some of our home grown spring onions last evening. It gave me no satisfaction pulling them up from the ground, especially since we named them all, but they sure tasted good in the salad.
|So instead of being the lion, you'd rather be a vulture picking off the scraps of those that actually do the killing, a scavenger and not a killer. |
Huh? I'm saying that the food companies have perfected killing animals, where as me knifing an animal would likely be animal torture when I'm not able to instantly kill them. As for your analogy, I would be a male lion who doesn't have to kill because he has a great job and doesn't have to do the dirty work.
>>Ignorance is bliss when I don't know how my food gets to my table, but to actually go out and murder an animal with a knife is pretty awful.
>>I'm saying that the food companies have perfected killing animals, where as me knifing an animal would likely be animal torture when I'm not able to instantly kill them.
so the food companies skip the torture and commence to murdering?
|so the food companies skip the torture and commence to murdering? |
Sure? I never said the food companies were doing a novel thing, but I'm sure their killing methods are quicker than handing me a knife and letting me go at it.
this is the kind of thing that rich people do because they are bored, and they have so much money that they dont know what to do with it. if he was on 25 grand a year im guessing he wouldnt fancy plodding down to the farm every day to kill a chicken
now he's done the whole press release thing i'll give him another 2 months, then he'll go back to eating whatever the butler brings him.
The problem with this kill-it-personally-then-eat-it-thing is one of volume. I buy meat from the butcher or the supermarket in relatively small quantities. I have only ever once bought a whole animal (pig) and stuck it in the freezer,I ended up throwing a lot of it away because I have a varied diet and unlike the burgerman in a previous thread, I get bored eating the same stuff too often.
So if I want a steak or a pork chop I have to go out and kill a whole animal? I don't think so.
Also it is all very well being a big brave backwoodsman and looking your prey in the eye before you kill it, but it seems a bit one sided to me. I think if you are serious about this you need to wrestle the beast naked with no weapons and kill it with your bare hands before you eat it. That is the manly way to do it, not a quick visit to the slaughterhouse to pick your harmless tethered beast, not slinking in the bushes with a telescopic sight and killing from long distance. Surely this is the cowards way?
Alternatively you can be sensible and accept the fact that if you eat meat animals have to die and it is best that the killing is done professionally and as painlessly as possible.
I think young Zuckerberg's logic is flawed, does he also mine his own ores smelt them in his back garden and personally make the knife he uses to slit the throat of each unfortunate animal. Does he extrude his own plastics, fell his own trees and make his own fabrics and clothes? I doubt it. Does he use money or the barter system?
IMHO it is rank hypocrisy and downright weird to only eat what you kill, especially if you are a billionaire who has made his fortune in a diverse capitalist economy.
and what about the people, the poor downtrodden people slaving away in the factories? making his clothes for 10p a week. factories spewing out fumes that are killing the ozone layer.
from now on he should only wear clothes that he makes himself out of leaves he has handpicked from the forest
I think he wants every competitor to know about his killing prowess..Frankly I would be a little afraid to share space with a person who enjoys killing so much..
|Zuckerberg kills what he eats |
For many people it is the other way round: They are killed by what they eat. More and more every year. It is time someone strikes back.
|Doesn't he eat everyday. Must be spending a lot of time killing animals. |
That's a carnivore-centric assumption that he eats meat every day. Even people who don't consider themselves vegetarians may not eat meat every day, and probably not every single meal.
To expand on what Old Honkey said, individuals killing their own meat is going to result in a LOT of inefficiency. It's not like you can keep your own cow alive while you slice off steaks and hamburgers for several weeks. Joe Plumber is not only unlikely to be able to eat an entire cow by himself, but he most likely has no knowledge about how to use all the non-meat parts of the cow (organs, bones, skin, etc.).
[edited by: LifeinAsia at 3:49 pm (utc) on May 27, 2011]
|That's a carnivore-centric assumption that he eats meat every day. |
You got that right. I am a vegetarian.. How did you guess ? ;-)
What? There's three opportunities a day to eat meat. I just had myself a cow sandwich actually.
|Even people who don't consider themselves vegetarians may not eat meat every day, and probably not every single meal. |
I love eggs, have them routinely for breakfast. But I gotta say, eggs and milk are two animal products that I'd have a hard time explaining or justifying. I'm not bashful, but if I think about it too hard, they're kinda gross.
Oh, also pigtails. People around here eat them like a delicacy. What? You know what end of the pig those things come from? Whoa! This pig tail tastes like @ss! Yeah, no kidding.
Don't forget deep fried pigskin, mmmmm!
And head cheese, where they trim the bits off the head and put it in gelatin, MMMMM!
I have a vegetarian friend that tells people he's not a vegetarian because he loves animals, he's a vegetarian because he hates plants and plans to eat as many as possible before he dies LOL!
Isn't murder a crime with some pretty stiff penalties?
|Isn't murder a crime with some pretty stiff penalties? [ |
You chose the word, not me. I don't know how they classify a slaughterhouse.
|plans to eat as many as possible before he dies LOL! |
Plants are the oxygen producers. So tell him that he's actually helping to kill the planet by doing that. Better to eat meat and reduce the number of other oxygen users. :)
|The lobster met its maker in a traditional boiling-water death, à la Woddy Allen's Annie Hall. |
Hardly makes the guy a hunter-gatherer, more like a chef.
>>You chose the word, not me.
You used the word murder. I guess I misunderstood that your definition of the word has to do not with the killing, but the manner.
|Plants are the oxygen producers. |
During the day, they also produce carbon dioxide, and most of the oxygen is produced by plants in the ocean, not on land.
|I love eggs, have them routinely for breakfast. |
But the chicken in this case is only a passive participant.
The pig that supplied the bacon is fully committed.
Ever examine what you eat?
Like a cheeseburger, the cows milk is turned into cheese which is melted on top of the ground up remains of her baby served on a bun.
Or fried chicken, where the bird is ripped into pieces, dipped in her own unfertilized ovum, and deep fried, mmmm mmmm
And you think Zuckerberg has issues BWAHAHAHA
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