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Geocities To Close
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Msg#: 3898789 posted 4:58 pm on Apr 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

Geocities To Close [help.yahoo.com]
We have decided to discontinue the process of allowing new customers to sign up for GeoCities accounts as we focus on helping our customers explore and build new relationships online in other ways. We will be closing GeoCities later this year.

 

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 9:37 pm on Apr 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Oh heck. I just remembered some stuff I was involved with in 1997 or so. Back then, it was in the top 5 in Alta-vista and Lycos, in just a few hundred results. Today it is still in the top 50 of over 20 million results in Google. Erk!

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 12:11 am on Apr 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

*** This could have huge ranking consequences for sites that have a strong link profile due to Geocities links. ***

Hmm. I wonder if Google would introduce "virtual backlinks" into the equation... continuing to credit a site with incoming links they used to have but which no longer exist.

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 2:01 am on Apr 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

you could say that about old people

Well, there was a song a few years ago that went "Kill all the old people and put them in a pot." (It didn't mention anything about GeoCities, but "Kill GeoCities and put it a pot" isn't quite as alliterative.)

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 3:24 am on Apr 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

Real shame if this isn't preserved for future generations; I hope someone will step in with cash to support the continued read-only operation of a large portion of non-spam sites in perpetuity. Archive the ads too, if possible... just imagine looking back at those ads from 2109...

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 6:49 pm on Apr 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

I recall reading a book by one of the founders of Geocities who wrote about his decision to sell it at just the right time!

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 4:20 am on Apr 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yahoo! just doesn't get it.
Geo still has a huge money making potential.
This isn't the first time they let a good brand slide.
They are slow and short sighted, no wonder their stock is sinking.
When are they going to do a complete house cleaning from the top down and put some good talent at the helm?

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 12:15 pm on Apr 27, 2009 (gmt 0)


Archive the ads too, if possible

There is a guy who collected old packaging and now makes money renting it to film companies so that shots set in the recent past don't have anachronisms in the background.

In the future period dramas are going to have to ensure that when a computer screen is in shot that the appearance of the internet is correct. Maybe I should have kept quiet and started building up an archive of screen shots.

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 1:08 pm on Apr 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

More and more people are using the Internet as a pseudo-journal. Imagine your great-grandchildren looking at your Twitter page 50 years from now --

"Look, grandpa was synching his iPod at 5:49 PM on May 14, 2009!"

"Cool! What's an iPod?"

"It was a little handheld gadget that had to be connected to one of those ancient computers. Back then computers were the size of a small MMS (short for multimedia screen, basically a portable touch-screen capable of accessing every type of media on the net). Ironically, today's computers are the size of those old iPods and 1000 times more powerful, hehehe. I learned that in my history class. Anyways, people carried these little things around before the invention of the earPod, which are now surgically implanted into every newborn."

:)

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 1:59 pm on Apr 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

More and more people are using the Internet as a pseudo-journal. Imagine your great-grandchildren looking at your Twitter page 50 years from now --

I think a lot of these journals won't be around in 50 years. Sure, a lot of it goes into the Internet Archive. But a lot gets missed because it's inadequately linked, or the archiver bot is blocked. Perhaps the Wayback machine, and other sites like it, will go under or get corrupted?

I think Geocities' closure just emphasises that the internet is more like a phone call than a magazine or book. It's ephemeral.

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 3:09 pm on Apr 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

the internet is more like a phone call than a magazine or book. It's ephemeral.

More like a town-hall message board. It's not real-time, but not necessarily persistant either.

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 3:35 am on Apr 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

When Yahoo! were daft enough to buy Geocities I recall being staggered that they paid so much for it. Around 4 billion US dollars, which would have bought them a quality company like Volvo cars, trucks and coaches, and still be around.

Which would Mr. Yang like to own today: Geocities or Volvo?

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 3:54 am on Apr 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

Which would Mr. Yang like to own today: Geocities or Volvo?

Probably could have bought Saab... Oh wait, GM already did, and now is ending the brand...

Hind sight is 20-20. I suspect there was a time when Geocities was a money maker with all the intrusive ads. That was before Google figured out how to put intrusive ads on virtually every Internet property out there ;)

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 8:47 am on Apr 28, 2009 (gmt 0)


"Cool! What's an iPod?"

Reminds me of the Doctor Who episode - far in the future where an antique juke box is wheeled out and referred to as an ipod.

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 8:49 am on Apr 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

One of my first sites went up on Geocities, currently a no-content redirect to the current site. The ad-based Geocities was innovative at the time, easy to use, allowed real HTML for those who made the effort, and was very consistent. Was it worth the acquisition cost? Probably not. Is it worth anything now? Definitely not, but shutting it down will make for an interesting balance sheet adjustment.

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 9:13 am on Apr 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

Some efforts to archive GeoCities are happening

I know that some WebmasterWorld members will regard this as copyright infringement, but IMO it is an important part of history and should be preserved.

[edited by: lawman at 1:01 am (utc) on May 4, 2009]

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 12:34 pm on Apr 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

From that link we have the declaration:

Because we�re talking literally millions of files with an average size of 1 to 30 kilobytes, it becomes harder and harder to get a �big picture� view of everything we�ve grabbed, but after 48 hours of work, Archive Team has saved over 200,000 Geocities sites. We�re now pulling in new sites at the rate of something like 5 a second. Is that fast enough? We�ll see, won�t we.

The wolves come to feed on the carrion...and some of that carrion MIGHT have been mine (I already moved that stuff off years ago but that's beside the point). I just got bad news of the "Big C" and at some fairly close future date I, too, will be gone. When that happens I want my stuff to pass with me...or pass to those I give it to. This mad rush to save the dead guys Geocities work (and all the live guys/gals, too!) is bogus; and is nothing more than a rape of Geocities content by the "preservers", particularly if they make it public again. If saved in silence (ie. not placed on the web again under new management) I won't squirm...after all we can all make a "copy" of any website for private use.

So yes, there is a possible infringement of copyright in progress.

ytswy

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 3:59 pm on Apr 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

tangor, I'm truly sorry to hear of your illness. . .

I never seem to express my point very well in these debates, I really am not trying to say that you can use the "saving it for history" argument to override the express will of the copyright holder.

But I don't think the vast majority of GeoCities sites fall into that category, and I'm glad someone is trying to save them despite the legal situation. And I do mean save, I certainly wouldn't support someone sticking them up online and serving ads alongside them.

GeoCities is a special case, as other posters have pointed out, due to its place in the history of the web. But with enough distance even today's MySpace might be interesting to someone in the future. See this graffiti from Pompeii [pompeiana.org]. (somewhat NSFW, but very historical!)

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 6:55 am on Apr 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

Are Yahoo even thinking of archiving the content in text format, at least? Why don't they just close the registration of new accounts?

And like tangor, I wouldn't want my content republished without my permission. I'd do it myself if I wanted to.

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 3:31 pm on Apr 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

The wolves come to feed on the carrion...and some of that carrion MIGHT have been mine (I already moved that stuff off years ago but that's beside the point). I just got bad news of the "Big C" and at some fairly close future date I, too, will be gone. When that happens I want my stuff to pass with me...or pass to those I give it to. This mad rush to save the dead guys Geocities work (and all the live guys/gals, too!) is bogus; and is nothing more than a rape of Geocities content by the "preservers", particularly if they make it public again. If saved in silence (ie. not placed on the web again under new management) I won't squirm...after all we can all make a "copy" of any website for private use.

So yes, there is a possible infringement of copyright in progress.

tangor,
More than likely, the GeoCities TOS/UAG allows Geo to do whatever they desire with the content of pages. Users agreed to compliance/acceptance even if they never took the time to read the TOS/UAG, simply by adding their materials.

A similar TOS/UAG exists at many of the Yahoo provided forums. (Ex: Yahoo Groups)

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 3:42 pm on Apr 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

@wilderness... I have no doubt the Geocities TOS/UAG probably worked that way, which does not change one bit of my comment. Geocities can do with it what they like, but nobody else can. Meanwhile, because of Yahoo's TOS I have not and will not support their groups, nor do I recommend that venue to anyone, for that very reason.

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 10:45 pm on May 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

They aren't being very thoughtful about this. When iVillage closed down their member websites they let them migrate to Tripod if the site owner requested it.

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 4:41 am on May 5, 2009 (gmt 0)

Where could/would the Geocities folks migrate to? I'm all for that, but the question remains... where?

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 8:13 am on May 5, 2009 (gmt 0)


Where could/would the Geocities folks migrate to? I'm all for that, but the question remains... where?

For people used to using proprietory on-line utilities to build their sites migrating would be a nightmare. I would guess that they will do one of three things:
1. Give up
2. Start again on a service such as MySpace
3. Copy site content to another "free" provider. There are still enough of these around offering to host sites in return for loading them with ads and popups.

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Msg#: 3898789 posted 2:27 am on Jul 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

GEOCITIES IS CLOSING ON OCTOBER 26, 2009.

[geocities.yahoo.com...]

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