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Ignoring Twitter means you're "a complete moron"
Smart Businesses Jump on Twitter
incrediBILL




msg:3895755
 10:37 pm on Apr 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

Real world businesses are taking to Twitter and making money.

The Twitter conversation "cloud" can give businesses an early read on consumer sentiment, said Shiv Singh, global social media head at advertising and marketing firm Razorfish.

[tech.yahoo.com...]

Are you missing the boat because it's just an "IM" thingy? :)

 

Rugles




msg:3896307
 6:10 pm on Apr 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

I think Twitter is peaking right now. I have a corporate Twitter account and find it extremely mind numbing. Can't believe people are following what I say. Why would they even care?

This thing is going to have a fast burnout rate. Its absolutely been compromised by the media and corporations and the origonal people who jumped on this device are likely abandoning it because nobody really cares what Ashton Kutcher, John Mayer, Larry King or Heidi Montag are paying somebody to tweet is typing.

Mark my words, this craze is peaking now and will be mostly ignored in a matter of months.

weeks




msg:3896410
 8:03 pm on Apr 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

We tried Twitter and found it useful at first. But, all in all, it took more time than it was worth. I closed the web site's Twitter account today and opened another because the old Twitter account, which focused more on our marketing and less on our user services, was ranking too high (#4!) in the search results.

The new account is going to take some thought. I think Twitter can be useful.

incrediBILL




msg:3897019
 2:23 pm on Apr 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

because nobody really cares what Ashton Kutcher, John Mayer

Funny you mention that because Ashton Kutcher does his own tweeting and he's a hoot, my wife loves following him and Demi Moore.

was ranking too high (#4!) in the search results

Why was that a bad thing?

You had a high ranking link to talk to people and canned it, some would've killed for it.

BTW, with the juice Twitter has in Google your new account will also rank high in very little time.

Mark my words, this craze is peaking now and will be mostly ignored in a matter of months.

Doubtful as it has already started changing the way some major companies, like Comcast, are handling support on Twitter and I find it very effective. You skip right past the phone queues to a live human in a fraction of a second.

Plus the live news aspect is simply amazing.

Twitter is a hub of human consciousness never before seen where an event happening in real time can reach thousands or millions within seconds.

[edited by: incrediBILL at 2:27 pm (utc) on April 21, 2009]

Old_Honky




msg:3897424
 12:44 am on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

It is communications for the generation who think big brother is real entertainment, and that celebrity is everything.

Ignore it at your peril it can only get bigger.

Personally I find it tedious and mind numbing. I neither know nor care who Ashton Kutcher is, and I have no interest in the minutiae of other people's lives even if they are currently enjoying their 5 minutes of fame.

Let's face it the world is dumbing itself down to a point where people are entertained by, and excitedly interested in things that are of no consequence. Soon someone will announce a brain interface and we will all plug in matrix-like and forget the real world.

By the way if any of my pseudo-friends, followers or others are interested I have just cut my toenails, had a glass of milk with my evening medication and am now going to bed.

incrediBILL




msg:3897444
 1:21 am on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have no interest in the minutiae of other people's lives

Then why use forums?

Pop over to the AdSense forum and see who's posting verbosely about their CTR being up or down today, or the Google forum and see who's up or down in the SERPs today.

Same exact thing except forums have a longer format.

Old_Honky




msg:3897639
 10:35 am on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

Then why use forums?

Mostly to learn things in my case, and to make the odd relevant comment occasionally. Thankfully there is very little "minutiae of other people's lives" on WW, nobody pops in to tell us what they had for breakfast or how many times they've used the lavatory today. At least not yet.

Lovejoy




msg:3897772
 2:39 pm on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

Twitter...... even the name is degrading, to twitter "to utter a succession of small, tremulous sounds, as a bird". They should give it a name like " Thunder", "Twitter" is too
undignified.

Imagine if they had it in the old days,Re: Alexander the great april 21st " Today I plan to smash my enemy with elephants"

Re: Alexander the great April 22nd. "Enemies had thousands of mice, elephants went mental who blabbed?"

rocknbil




msg:3897779
 2:45 pm on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

I neither know nor care who Ashton Kutcher is, and I have no interest in the minutiae of other people's lives even if they are currently enjoying their 5 minutes of fame.

I'm with Old_Honky. I dug around on Twitter, created an account, and from time to time log in to see what it's doing . . . but I just don't get it. My interest was momentarily revived by this thread [webmasterworld.com], but I still don't see it. Guess I'm a complete moron. :-(

jdancing




msg:3897801
 3:18 pm on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

For 99% of users, Twitter is the equivalent of schoolgirls passing notes in class.

I only keep my account somewhat active because I feel I have to to cover my bases. If I was in another business I would not waste a second on it.

I follow about 250 people but rarely read their tweets unless I happen to be doing my weekly mandatory tweets and I'll scan the current tweets in the timeline. It amazes me that I can go on almost any time and see the same few people tweeting.

The only people that get real value are the ones with followings before they come to twitter like some of the popular bloggers or Guy k. Twitter gives them and easy and free way to communicate with their masses without writing a blog post.

coopster




msg:3897846
 4:11 pm on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

I must admit there are some times when twitter is quite handy [webmasterworld.com].

engine




msg:3897872
 4:39 pm on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

It may be a phenomenon of value, or not, only time will tell.

"You have to be a complete moron to ignore it."

In fairness, that is not rational thinking calling people morons. Everyone is different, and everyone has a different way of getting his or her information. e-mail, web, news sites, edu sites, wiki, IM, etc., and now, we have Twitter.

If people cannot find a use for it, that's fine. If you can, then that's good, too.

As with any new concept, it takes time for it to build momentum. I think it now has some momentum. The problem many people find is that it doesn't work straight away.

Let me give you a hypothetical scenario.

I have a new service I want to introduce to market. I can, of course, issue a news release, blog about it, comment on other blogs, etc., but, now, I can now also tweet about it.

How would I prepare to tweet about it?

Firstly, Id make sure my profile page said what I want it to say.

Then, Id look around Twitter for like-minded people and businesses. I'd start following them and carefully watch what they tweet about, learning all the time.

I'd start reacting to some of their tweets. Retweeting, or replying, and using hashtags. That helps build a reputation. It helps get comments in the timeline, too. Once other people start finding and following you, you're getting there.

You're starting to get yourself in a position to launch your service. In very simple terms, blog about it, then tweet about it and link to your blog.

However, if it looks like an advert, you're asking for trouble.

In very simple terms, that's how you might use Twitter in a business way.

I've also found that those just commenting on the last time they went to the bathroom are the people I don't want to follow. But, if I can get the scoop on a new product or service, that's great.

In addition, some high profile Twitterers just self-promote all the time, and it becomes rather tedious. Some i've stopped following because they tweet all kinds of irrelevant stuff, all the time. Those that discuss topics of interest are good contacts to follow, imho.

Lexur




msg:3897902
 5:04 pm on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

Only tme will tell but actually, the Twitter "noise" is the same thing that Second Life, WAP or blogs had.

Who can survive without a Second Life alter ego?
Who will survive without a mobile ready site?
Who can live without update his blog ten times a day?

... and even "How can you live without a site in Geocities or Tripod?"

incrediBILL




msg:3897915
 5:32 pm on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

I've also found that those just commenting on the last time they went to the bathroom are the people I don't want to follow.

Is that why you quit following me? :)

rocknbil




msg:3897984
 7:19 pm on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

Then, Id look around Twitter for like-minded people and businesses.

See, now, this is where I fall down. I've looked around, and all I can find is forms to invite people, search by name, search by email. The few personal contacts I have aren't on there. I don't see all the powerful searches people are raving about. The whole interface seems empty and . . . pointless?

When I first visited there to sign up, I was using FF and couldn't even find a join button [webmasterworld.com]! Had to use IE just to join.

It all seems very "fruity." :-) I'll keep checking in, and am open to listening as always . . . just not seeing it yet. :-(

Rugles




msg:3898035
 8:35 pm on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

However, if it looks like an advert, you're asking for trouble

Most of what I see on Twitter is an advert. That is why I am predicting its demise.

I suspect (don't really know) that the people who were the early adopters and who were not in it for self-promotion are already abandoning it and are on to something else. How long can Ashton Kutcher find things to tweet about before he is bored to tears of it?

This thing reeks of a fad to me. ... but I have been wrong before.

Hugene




msg:3898054
 9:01 pm on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

This is indeed a fad, and the more people say stuff like "you must be a moron to ignore it" the more it looses its magic touch of being something new and limited and becomes a big-old done and tried app, soon to be overrun by ads.

PS: On a related note, today I logged on to Facebook and realized that I can't remember the last time I did (over 1 or 2 weeks ago) and even their annoying emails to tell me I have an email in Facebook (that's like Gmail emailing you on Hotmail to tell you that you got a message, just plain ridiculous) don't event get me to login anymore.

g1smd




msg:3898077
 9:35 pm on Apr 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

I see people using Twitter to make new connections with other people in their space, and in ways that would never have happened elsewhere... certainly not in the way that either myspace or facebook work.

greenleaves




msg:3898274
 3:40 am on Apr 23, 2009 (gmt 0)


I see people using Twitter to make new connections with other people in their space, and in ways that would never have happened elsewhere... certainly not in the way that either myspace or facebook work.

Ok, I don't understand this. I'm with the 'moron' crowd.

What does twitter offer that you can get from myspace/facebook/blogs/IM/forums/social bookmarking?

I have a couple of blogs, but that is about it. I never saw, and still don't, the commercial use in Myspace and facebook, except for a small minority that really thrive with the technology (Tila tequila? lol).

For social bookmarking, I've seen commercial potential, but not worth it in my opinion, compared to the potential in old school SEO. I actually really tried this.

Blogs, I've adopted, although begrudgingly I must admit.

Whether it takes or not, remains to be seen. Although I have a gut feeling this will end up with the geocities fad.

engine




msg:3898433
 8:58 am on Apr 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

Is that why you quit following me? :)

LOL
Nah, I like your toilet humour. :)

I'm not trying to convert anyone on here, however, I suspect there are some misconceptions.

There is no comparison with FB. This is entirely different.

Just following someone does not always help either party. I'm not into numbers, i'm into quality.

Next, use search to explore the keywords and keyphrases of interest to you and your business. See who's talking about your interests (hobbies or business). Look at their profile, then their tweets and decide if you want to follow them. Be selective.

HTH

Added
I also see some real SEO pros, whom I respect highly, failing to use it to the best advantage.

Syzygy




msg:3898471
 9:53 am on Apr 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

With six appearances in this thread, I just had to go find out who Ashton Kutcher is (seven).

So, this is what we're missing.

I guess that whatever the technology or the means of communication, where ever a crowd gathers us humans just can't resist rushing in to try to sell 'em something.

My feeling is that it's rather sad, but unfortunately inescapable.

Syzygy

ronin




msg:3899010
 9:24 pm on Apr 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

As Rich Site Summary is to Website.
So Twitterfeed is to Human Mind.

Garbage in, garbage out.

Follow him, whose mind is not filled with garbage.

- K'ung fu-tzu (Confucius), 498 BC

Slinger




msg:3899036
 9:36 pm on Apr 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

I think they should come up with a hip new dance for twitter...call it the "twitter-bug".

rocknbil




msg:3899078
 10:15 pm on Apr 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

Dancing to the Jackson Five's "Rockin' Robin" no doubt.

Old_Honky




msg:3902433
 3:03 pm on Apr 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

Whilst on the way to purchase his new Black Cab (his chosen method of personal transport) B list "celebrity" Stephen Fry apparently tweeted to his adoring fans that he was so excited he "Pee-spotted" his pants.

I rest my case.
(Info from the BBC and the Sun Newspaper)

engine




msg:3902541
 4:56 pm on Apr 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

>I rest my case.

hehehe

Well, that was funny, and he's a treasure, but, don't follow him if you don't like such tweets.

Some of the value cannot always be seen by the blinkered approach. Take the blinkers off and look at the opportunities.

wyweb




msg:3902548
 5:05 pm on Apr 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

Take the blinkers off and look at the opportunities.

I have. The whole thing is a bit too trivial for my tastes. This will of course be another one of those massive web realities that I have an opportunity to cash in on but neglect to do so out of personal preference.

It's happened before.

anallawalla




msg:3904702
 4:47 am on May 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

I mainly follow people in the SEO category and exclude the ones who say inane things more often than not. Therefore, my daily Tweet checks have a good 10 to 20 interesting URLs to check out. I also use it to search by hashtags - the main benefit is that unlike a search engine there is no waiting for a page to be indexed and ranked.

HelenDev




msg:3904914
 1:16 pm on May 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

What does twitter offer that you can't get from myspace/facebook/blogs/IM/forums/social bookmarking?

I can follow people who are of interest to me, but who are not necessarily my 'friends'. Be that a TV personality, or someone working in the same city and sector as me.

For example, I'm following someone who I think I met once at an event, but he's not a 'friend'. He is in the same city and same profession as me, and I'm learning about events he's attending and colleagues he's networking with, that may well be of interest and use to me in the future.

wyweb




msg:3905024
 3:35 pm on May 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

He is in the same city and same profession as me, and I'm learning about events he's attending and colleagues he's networking with, that may well be of interest and use to me in the future.

Yes, and this is a fundamental issue that I'm sure I'm overlooking.

Tweets though. Retweets? Hell, I'm having a hard time just getting past that part.

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