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Misspellings, Improper Use of Homonyms, Redundancies
some are even found on WW
lawman




msg:3773765
 6:12 pm on Oct 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

Read somewhere on this board:

". . . from whence . . ."

Since the definition of whence is "from what place, source, or cause", the use of from appears to be redundant.

Anything on the web, in print, or otherwise common usage get your attention?

 

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:3773777
 6:39 pm on Oct 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

Personally myself ...

HuskyPup




msg:3773802
 8:20 pm on Oct 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

Definately...

cornwall




msg:3773833
 10:42 pm on Oct 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

cut and paste

historical sources shows that from whence has been common since the thirteenth century. It has been used by:-
Shakespeare,
Defoe (in the opening of Robinson Crusoe: “He got a good estate by merchandise, and leaving off his trade, lived afterwards at York; from whence he had married my mother”),
Smollett,
Dickens (in A Christmas Carol: “He began to think that the source and secret of this ghostly light might be in the adjoining room, from whence, on further tracing it, it seemed to shine”),
Dryden,
Gibbon,
Twain (in Innocents Abroad: “He traveled all around, till at last he came to the place from whence he started”),
Trollope,
and it appears 27 times in the King James Bible (including Psalm 121: “I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help”).

So what literary genius says "from whence" is wrong ?

< Note: - quote is from [worldwidewords.org...] >

[edited by: tedster at 3:14 am (utc) on Oct. 27, 2008]
[edit reason] attribute the quote [/edit]

jdMorgan




msg:3773875
 12:29 am on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Let's not loose our tempers over this...

Published references are comprised of many opinions on both sides...

Just my two pet peeves, these.

Jim

lawman




msg:3773979
 6:24 am on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

So what literary genius says "from whence" is wrong ?

I used the word redundant. Redundancies permeate the language. Who hasn't heard "free gift" overused on infomercials?

Sometimes these phrases have a pleasing sound. Sometimes the user is just naturally wordy. Maybe the user has just heard it over and over and thinks the words must be joined. For whatever reason, it's still a redundancy.

looser

Haha, jdmorgan. It's somewhat amusing when someone writes that someone else is a looser. Makes me wonder who the real loser is. :)

Shaddows




msg:3774078
 9:48 am on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

I get really annoyed by print (or online) adverts that haven't been properly proofed.

And I heard a major news program (could be BBC but prob C4 News) call something a controversial controversy. Seriously.

tangor




msg:3774112
 10:59 am on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

I don't worry about figures of speech. All the figures out there speech and we are stuck with it. Have been since the 12th century. Life is too short to worry about some of the foo out there.

jdMorgan




msg:3774125
 11:13 am on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Nevertheless, many costly mistakes could be avoided if people would take just a little more care with there wording and phrasing...

Jim

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:3774126
 11:16 am on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Life is too short to worry about some of the foo out there.

Personally myself I definately worry from whence that opinion came. I am not however about about to loose the plot over it.

Shaddows




msg:3774144
 12:09 pm on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

i dont understand y peeple dont lern to speek/rite proper like what i do

grandpa




msg:3774226
 2:15 pm on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

some are even found on WW

I wander if from whence this cauld be the originations of the Friday Word Game.

On a personal note, I tend to miss the 'H' key on a consistent basis. It's annoying, but often easily spotted and corrected. Often, but not always.

digitalghost




msg:3774262
 3:03 pm on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

>>Anything on the web, in print, or otherwise common usage get your attention

Try and rather than try to always gets my attention. Affidavid appears to be pretty common, Google doesn't even offer a "did you mean affidavit".

One I'm guilty of in informal writing is 'alright", which is never right. Then there's 'beckon call' for 'beck and call'. Dribble instead of drivel, exasperate when the writer or speaker means exacerbate...

>>redundancies

'ATM machine' makes me nuts.

I could go on...

[edited by: digitalghost at 3:34 pm (utc) on Oct. 27, 2008]

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:3774291
 3:34 pm on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

I could go on...

But you'll just get exacerbated. ;)

Shaddows




msg:3774299
 3:47 pm on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

War on terror.

How can you fight terror? War on terrorists, possibly. But given its widespread usage, I guess I'll have to 'except' it.

digitalghost




msg:3774301
 3:50 pm on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

>>Personally myself

The use of 'personally' is curious even when it is not coupled with 'myself'. Is there ever a need to use 'personally' when making a statement?

'Literally', when it is misused for 'figuratively', makes me cringe. Phrases like, "He was literally exploding he was so mad" fly right by without question.

Yet another redundancy that annoys me is, "revert back", as in, "The Soviet Union reverted back to communism".

LifeinAsia




msg:3774305
 3:57 pm on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Is there ever a need to use 'personally' when making a statement?

If a person is a spokesperson (official or unofficial), the use of "personally" can help separate the "official" position from the spokesperson's personal opinion.

But I agree- it's rarely used in that way.

Shaddows




msg:3774315
 4:10 pm on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Personally, I use it on boards such as this to emphasise my own habit, rather than a well established norm.

While technically redundant, it helps differentiate between a pure opinion, and a belief (for lack of a better word for somewhere between opinion and knowledge)

Shaddows




msg:3774324
 4:19 pm on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

'Literally' in front of any metaphor as an emphasis of the semantic content is definately grating, but stunningly widespread.

"semantic meaning": acceptable or misuse?

coopster




msg:3774484
 6:23 pm on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

For all intense and purposes ... now that's intents!

lawman




msg:3774491
 6:25 pm on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've seen for all intensive purposes too.

digitalghost




msg:3774509
 6:37 pm on Oct 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

>>intense and purposes

I've also seen that as 'intensive purposes'. May we talk about 'alterior' motives? ;) Or 'blessing in the sky'? (blessing in disguise) What about 'off the beat and path'? Or pawn off rather than palm off? Or 'splitting image'?

To be fair though, the English language can be infuriating. Just think about mettle, medal, metal and meddle for a minute...

phranque




msg:3774864
 7:52 am on Oct 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

new and improved
irregardless
per say
could of

To be fair though, the English language can be infuriating. Just think about mettle, medal, metal and meddle for a minute...

and then there's the non-homonym pronunciations:
the tough coughs as he ploughs the dough

tangor




msg:3774941
 11:29 am on Oct 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

I guess the worse I ever saw was "intense and porpoises" which only goes to show you're only as good as your spell checker.

rocknbil




msg:3775073
 3:43 pm on Oct 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Everyone has limitations. Annoyance at another's limitations originates from the ego, and is a good sign for me to take a check at the cause of my annoyance. There are a lot of people who have a poor grasp of language and grammar but outdistance me in thinking outside the box.

I'm jus anoyed wen tey do it out of lazyness or on perpuss.

Shaddows




msg:3775081
 3:54 pm on Oct 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'm not so worried about mistakes- I doubt I've posted on these boards without a typo, or with a word missed out or left behind from a re-type (this thread excepted- I'm being careful).

It's in print media, or on ads, or anywhere thats supposed to be professionally produced.

Or REALLY stupid things like "literally" before a metaphor

lawman




msg:3775125
 4:43 pm on Oct 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Annoyance at another's limitations originates from the ego

Since I is a college grajuate, I like to look down my knows at those who are less ejuhkated.

<edited to fix speeling>

[edited by: lawman at 6:23 am (utc) on Oct. 29, 2008]

MatthewHSE




msg:3775492
 3:00 am on Oct 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

I new I shouldn't of looked at this thread. Theirs to many of my pet peeves listed hear. We should all pay more attention to are own mistakes.

phranque




msg:3779789
 9:18 am on Nov 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

formerly versus formally

jatar_k




msg:3780046
 5:03 pm on Nov 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

I love when people say

'in actual fact'

the way that a large number of people seem to combine leery and wary and think that using weary makes them anything but tired

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