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NLPC Exposes Alleged Home of Top Google Executive
engine




msg:3714808
 2:56 pm on Aug 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

In a move to highlight security concerns over Google Street View and Google Earth, the NLPC (National Legal and Policy Center) wanted to show just how much information is available.

NLPC Exposes Alleged Home of Top Google [nlpc.org]Executive
To demonstrate his point, the National Legal and Policy Center today released a document demonstrating the threat to personal privacy posed by Google and Google products. Simply using Google Street View and Google Earth, the Center compiled a startlingly comprehensive amount of personal information on a top Google executive in less than 30 minutes, including the license plates of cars outside the executive’s home, the landscaping company the executive uses and even the name of the next door neighbor’s home security company.

Earlier stories
Google Accused of Hypocrisy on Privacy [webmasterworld.com]

Google's UK Street View Gets Clearance, With Safeguards [webmasterworld.com]

[edited by: engine at 4:33 pm (utc) on Aug. 4, 2008]

 

sem4u




msg:3715505
 9:44 am on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Interesting find and quite worrying that such a level of detail can be found about an address.

Having your phone number listed in the phone book, and your address showing with your number, is far and away a bigger privacy and stalking issue than having Google take a photo of your street for Street View.

You can opt-out though by going ex-directory.

tangor




msg:3715525
 9:58 am on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

This was a pretty silly stunt by NLPC that accomplishes nothing more than anyone else who knows somebody's address can do by standing on the street with a camera.

Easy to say if one has not been subjected to unwanted attention by those one has not given out address info (musician for 40 years...for 36 of those I have not allowed the public into my home.)

Can't giggle my address/house yet, but with the way things are going I have a feeling that won't last long.

tangor




msg:3715526
 10:08 am on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've posted before about its value. Especially with more people bicycling to work, it allows you to preview the ridability of streets before trying them out in person. There have been a number of times that I decided against (or for) going a particular route after getting a preview of what the road is like. (The same red line on a 2-D map may be a quiet 2-lane road with bike lanes in both directions or a 4-lane road with no shoulder but lots of traffic.

Probably not quite on topic. I don't use giggle street view and ride 12,000 miles a year on my bicycle. Don't own a car. HPV these days (human powered vehicle). City where I live has several more thousand miles I haven't explored...and I don't need pics to explore them. What I DON'T NEED is web access to my house... can't kill overhead above 5,280 feet, but I surely would like to kill giggle taking street level shots of what I got!

Meanwhile, ride that bike! Stay healthy and strong!

tripleox




msg:3715559
 11:30 am on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'm glad we don't NEED guns or training in the UK!

cmarshall




msg:3715746
 3:12 pm on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's a new world. Get used to it. For better or for worse, the tech is here, and it's not going away. I guarantee that the folks that use this the most are the ones we love the most; the ones who are going to experience an explosive growth in business in the next couple of years. You know, those charming men and women that call at exactly 8AM on Sunday morning?

Collection agencies.

If Street View is walled off behind a paid Service, or not specifically outlawed (never gonna happen in the US), then I'd rather it be out for anyone. For every stalker, there will be ten fraudsters and collection agencies that won't even blink at paying for the info.

Anyone who wants to kidnap Sergei's pomeranian isn't gonna put their own lives at risk by relying on dated public domain records. They'll case the joint in person.

I've used online services numerous times to track down fraudsters and scammers. I feel it evens the playing field a bit.

explorador




msg:3715777
 3:36 pm on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Stalking is a HUGE issue-problem with many, MANY consequences (Mentally and legally) where you don't have control over the "unwanted person". The damage caused by "free available information" on the web goes beyond what many might think (because they never been stalked).

I'm against being public.

frontpage




msg:3715800
 3:51 pm on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'm glad we don't NEED guns or training in the UK!

That's great, you have more than enough on your hands with the 25,000 yearly stabbings.

And police figures to be released this morning are expected to show 25,000 stabbings were committed in England and Wales in the last 12 months.

lexipixel




msg:3715805
 4:00 pm on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'm waiting for the first terrorist conspiracy trial where the fact that Street View had been accessed is brought in evidence.

By that thinking, Rand-McNally would have been put out of business since who-knows-how-many-million crimes have involved a Rand-McNally map.

This is a ridiculous and paranoid thread... Google Earth is as harmless as a can of gasoline. You can store the gasoline in your shed and use it to run your lawn mower -- or you can dump it on something and start a fire. Should storing gasoline for private use be made illegal or closely regulated?

Security? Safety? Regulation?...

More accidents happen at home and in the bathroom. Should we legislate that all children under age 12 wear a safety helmet if they are going to stand in the shower?

REGULATE OR BAN TOOTHBRUSHES NOW! You can kill someone with a toothbrush by jamming it into their eye with enough force to drive it into their brain and twisting it a few times.

pageoneresults




msg:3715806
 4:01 pm on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

At this point, Google would be just one of many concerns. There is new technology appearing almost every day regarding Street View products. I just watched a presentation from this company...

earthmine inc.
[earthmine.com...]

We're creating an entirely new datamine about our earth that is open, connected, flexible, immersive and scalable. A spatially accurate, truly 3D inventory of our world. It just may be the link that's been missing between information and places.

These guys are mapping every pixel at the Street Level. Amazing technology. They call them Point Clouds and if your into high-tech mapping strategies, these people are on to it.

Google Street View? Pffft. Child's play compared to some of the other up and coming technologies.

frontpage




msg:3716021
 8:03 pm on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

@ exipixel

By that thinking, Rand-McNally would have been put out of business since who-knows-how-many-million crimes have involved a Rand-McNally map.

You bring up a good point. However, it is not valid IMHO.

Previous to the introduction of Google Maps and other freely available satellite map functions, the only people who would have access to such precise geographic 3D details would be large countries with spy satellites.

A Rand McNaly paper map certainly does not have the level of detail (2D) and GPS coordinates that Google Maps does and the added addition of Street Views and Birds Eye Views only adds to precision in geography.

The advent of free internet satellite mapping allows positive benefits for private individuals and 3rd world countries that could not afford a space program on their own. However, it is a double edged sword.

This thread reminds me of a previous Google dust up when Google blacklisted CNET for being critical of its privacy policies.

CNET on Friday reported "Google representatives have instituted a policy of not talking with CNET News reporters until July 2006 in response to privacy issues raised by a previous story." That story, by reporter Elinor Mills ran under the headline "Google balances privacy, reach."

Google spokesman David Krane told CNN the company declined comment.

The CNET story, dated July 14, focused on privacy concerns since Google is amassing such enormous amounts of data about people. It reported that some analysts fear it is becoming a great risk to privacy, because it would be a tempting target for hackers, "zealous government investigators, or even a Google insider who falls short of the company's ethics," the article said.

To underscore its point about how much personal information is available, the CNET report published some personal information about Google's CEO Eric Schmidt -- his salary; his neighborhood, some of his hobbies and political donations -- all obtained through Google searches.


lexipixel




msg:3716100
 10:00 pm on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Previous to the introduction of Google Maps and other freely available satellite map functions, the only people who would have access to such precise geographic 3D details would be large countries with spy satellites.
-frontpage

You must be referring to state of the art -- a decade ago.

Anyone with internet access 10 years could view the aerial photography of the US Geological Survey Tiger Mapping project -- and you could see the pool, shed and old Van in my backyard -- even 3 years after I junked the van!

I believe it was that data that started it all -- they flew a grid pattern and shot aerial photography of most US urban areas.

Now I feel left out -- my street must not have good SR, ("StreetRank")... they didn't bother filming it for StreetView... :-(

pageoneresults




msg:3716102
 10:05 pm on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Now I feel left out -- my street must not have good SR, ("StreetRank")... they didn't bother filming it for StreetView... :-(

StreetRank™ < Too phunny!

Don't worry about it. There are plenty of others that will help drive your StreetRank™. They will feed Google at some point. It is one big cluster... :)

Murdoch




msg:3716159
 11:58 pm on Aug 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

In order to get good StreetRank you must have quality authority roads intersecting with your house :-)

pageoneresults




msg:3716165
 12:07 am on Aug 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

In order to get good StreetRank you must have quality authority roads intersecting with your house.

And, if you're in a cul-de-sac, guess what? :)

Check out the earthmine technology. These guys are literally mapping every pixel at the street level. Imagine the future? We'll be inserting advertising in those Point Clouds shortly. In fact, it is already being done via GPS. Really eye-opening stuff. Hurry up and claim your pixels in history. Once those Point Clouds are mapped, you've got a piece of the pie. :)

Stefan




msg:3716181
 1:03 am on Aug 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Tactical training because of Google? The level of paranoia in the US never ceases to amaze me. How on earth do any of you ever get a good sleep at night, what with the constant fear of bad-guys, terrorists, commies, drug-dealers, whatever, coming through the window?

Folks, take your television, put it in the backyard, and whack it with a large mallet. Beat it until it's entirely unrecoverable. Then, take a deep breath, have a nice dinner, drink a few beers, and hang out with some of your neighbours. The world might have a few crazies in it, but they're few and far between. You have nothing to fear but fear itself.

<edit> Don't take it personally, I just can't imagine living that way myself. Each to their own. </edit>

[edited by: Stefan at 1:09 am (utc) on Aug. 6, 2008]

Sarah Atkinson




msg:3716654
 2:54 pm on Aug 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Build a bigger Mouse and someone else will build a bigger mouse trap

grandpa




msg:3716695
 3:17 pm on Aug 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Welcome to the 21st century. The line for implant chips forms on the left, clones please stand over there.

I used Street View a few weeks ago to get an idea of the place I was looking for. I had a possible address, and a general idea of the area. Once I looked it up I knew exactly where to get off the bus and which direction to walk and how far it would be. That was a nice bonus on a particularly hot day.

New technology represents change, and if there is one thing that people resist it is change. Change is inevitable, and our lives will become different because of it. Some will become (even more) paranoid while others will become all embracing. Still others will find a way to exploit that technology to their own end.

Bear in mind that while some criminal minded individuals may tend to use newer technologies, there are ever more technologically inclined law enforcement entities. The ratio of cops vs robbers probably hasn't changed, just the way they go about their business.

Some things never change.

mahlon




msg:3716785
 5:09 pm on Aug 6, 2008 (gmt 0)


I just kinda had a quick daydream while thinking about street view.....and I thought of the Matrix ;)

Dabrowski




msg:3717387
 9:02 am on Aug 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

Has anyone thought that actually Google Search is spyware?

Their spider comes into your site, reading every page, cataloging it, then showing snippets to whoever wants them?

Including names, addresses, phone numbers? I'm sure it's technically phishing.

But of course we don't mind that now do we?

Anyone G'd their own name, apparaently I'm an actor, and my mate was pardoned for posessing cannabis in Illinois.

lexipixel




msg:3717592
 2:13 pm on Aug 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

"Build a bigger Mouse and someone else will build a bigger mouse trap"
-Sarah Atkinson

Whenever the discussion of "spyware v. anti-spyware", or "security v. hacker" gets into my brain, I think of the old MAD Magazine "Spy v. Spy" comics... Sometimes the brain cells switch channels and I think about the Roadrunner and Wiley Coyote....

"Anyone G'd their own name..."
-Dabrowski

I did even better; several months ago I listed myself on Google Maps -- a certain one word palindrome gets anyone my real name, address, cell phone number --- and that little red arrow with an "A" on it --- yup, that' my house -- right across the street from the pond.

If you are coming by today, please bring me a large pizza with meatball, mushroom and onion. Thx.

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