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Is the Google, Microsoft, Yahoo Search War Settled?
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msg:3650740
 11:58 am on May 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

Eric Schmidt was doing his level best late last week not to gloat. With Microsoft dropping its attempted takeover of Yahoo, the Google chief executive had just seen his arch-rival abandon its most direct attack yet on Google’s growing dominance of online search and advertising.

“I’m happy to be crowned winner,” Mr Schmidt said, before quickly adding: “But as we’ve learned in the election cycle, it goes back and forth.”

“The failure of the Microsoft/Yahoo merger eliminates the biggest short-term threat” to Google’s unrivalled position on the web, says David Yoffie, a professor at Harvard Business School. For now, its momentum “seems unstoppable”. Michael Cusumano, a management professor at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, describes Google’s now-unchallenged dominance even more bluntly: “They’re sitting on a goldmine.”

Is the Google, Microsoft, Yahoo Search War Settled? [ft.com]

Some commentators believe it's over, for now. I'm inclined to agree, however, it's just as likely to swing away as fast, unless Google keeps up the pressure. The market leader always has the biggest competition snapping at their heels.

 

newviewit




msg:3651521
 3:40 am on May 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

Is it settled? No it's just beginning and the war is spreading... going to be a fun one to watch play out

Import Export




msg:3651555
 5:40 am on May 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

I remember strikingly similar quotes not all that long ago. Namely, "Alta Vista"?

Was that as "Game Over" as the worlds brightest predicted?

skibum




msg:3651577
 6:39 am on May 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

AltaVista was just a search engine. Google is embedded in everything a lot of people do online. They'll be a lot harder to unseat unless the OS starts blocking them.

pageoneresults




msg:3651650
 8:33 am on May 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

Google is a Brand that will be with this generation, and the next, and possbily the one after that. Search is just one part of their portfolio now. It was the stepping stone to all things greater.

Edge




msg:3651775
 12:30 pm on May 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

Google’s next real threat could be antitrust laws. Total or too much success could be their undoing...

Hobbs




msg:3651898
 3:26 pm on May 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think Google's real threat is nothing that existed in the past 5 years, but some nerd somewhere coding away in a basement, that's how companies like Google are born, and there is definitely room for a better search engine.

venti




msg:3651921
 4:00 pm on May 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

The web is a funny place. I can't imagine Google losing seat, however if I think about where Google and the web was just 10 years ago.. it was 1998 and all this web and search engine stuff was just taking off (with Google as an underdog). Seeing where we are today, just 10 years later, I am confident that I can not accurately predict where we will be ten years from now.

annej




msg:3652885
 3:27 am on May 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

I remember strikingly similar quotes not all that long ago. Namely, "Alta Vista"?

Actually to all but a few of us it was long before their time. ;)

Marcia




msg:3652898
 4:10 am on May 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

>Actually to all but a few of us it was long before their time.

When I got online in 1998, my daughter set Yahoo as my start page, and they were using Alta Vista for search at the time - which I thought *was* search altogether in my very first few days. It didn't last too long after that, that AV *was* search for a lot of people.

Yahoo actually gave Google their jump start and put them on the map with giving them the search contract, and here's a thread from down memory lane from the time that it was pending whether Yahoo would renew the contract with Google. Inktomi was wooing Yahoo at the time.

[webmasterworld.com...]

<slightly off topic>
Don't miss the link to the AV thread (forum 1)
[webmasterworld.com...]
It's a classic on life and times in search during that period of time.
</end off topic>

mcneely




msg:3652916
 5:35 am on May 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Difference between Alta Vista and Google?

Alta Vista wrote cutting edge technology.

Google just buys it.

Google may be easier to unseat than most might think.
It's so much easier to manipulate code that someone else wrote than it is to write it yourself, and Google knows it.

Marcia




msg:3652921
 6:18 am on May 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Difference between Alta Vista and Google?

Alta Vista wrote cutting edge technology.

Google just buys it.


So what was PageRank, chopped liver?

Google may be easier to unseat than most might think.

Hardly. Once branding works its way into the public's mind and hearts, it'll take a marketing earthquake of an 8.0 magnitude on the Richter scale to unseat it. We still Xerox photocopies, and we still do and always will sneeze into Kleenex, no matter how many other brands come and go and try to compete.

It's so much easier to manipulate code that someone else wrote than it is to write it yourself, and Google knows it.

Google knows better than to waste time re-inventing the wheel, when a good wheel can instead be integrated into their own wagon of goods. And Google has the branding impetus to get those wheels rolling, if only by virtue of their breadth of audience and reach.

When it comes to winning the war in the race for users on an emotional level, Google is untouchable. The public doesnt't buy steak, they buy sizzle; and Google is red hot.

skibum




msg:3678243
 4:00 am on Jun 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thing is Google probably has a few billion in infrastructure at the center of the Internet. They're gonna know what the hot trends are before anyone else. I doubt that some geek in a basement could ever come up with something that will unseat Google.

You could say that MSFT has billions in infrastructure in Windows and Office and I'm sure they do but those apps are not in the CORE of what people do in such a way that they can't be beaten or replaced. If more people knew about Open Office and companies were comfortable with it that could really dent MSFT Office sales.

If mobile stuff really picks up and there is a fundamental shift to everyone using cell phones & PDAs and Google isn't there, then they could lose out on that.

People are always going to search for stuff. Plain text search is simple, easy to understand intuitive and isn't going anywhere. People aren't always going to use FaceBook or MySpace and those things will probably die in the next few years or at least not generate any significant revenue unless the branding dollars pour in which might chase everyone away as the site becomes a commercial landfill. They really aren't a part of the CORE of the Internet and the intent behind going there is more to socailize than to transact. If your friends all move onto some new social site, you'll probably go to. You don't really care what search engine your friends use and what would really be that much different about another search engine? There are multimedia search engines, visual search engines, fancy flash and AJAX search engines but compared to Google and even LIVE it doesn't seem like anyone really uses them.

Plain text search has the most sustainable long-term revenue model too. Everyone there has an intent to find something with a decent chance that what they want to find ends up in some kind of transaction that exchanges money, personal info which has some kind of commercial value.

Personally, I think most display advertising online is worthless in most cases. It doesn't appear in the path of users intent most of the time. TV and radio don’t necessarily either but in those mediums, the user is in a more passive mindset, not actively reading an article and probably more receptive to at least gazing at the ads or remembering a creative radio jungle. The persons mind is in a more “relaxed” state. How many of those Internet media campaigns can show a positive ROI or even generate more in sales revenue than just the media cost? If you count people who visit a page where an ad is loaded and get cookied on the view, they can look great especially if the targeting is setup to serve the ads to people who have already been to the site but based on click-through data, not a chance.

Anyway, if you master plain text search which will always be a fundamental behavior online and you are collecting more data about what people do and how they behave with respect to text search and the barrier to entry is likely to be a billion or more in hardware, software and technology, how does another company that doesn't have the resources of MSFT unseat Google? I just don't see it. I wish I did see something else out there that could give em' a run for the money but I don't.

callivert




msg:3678277
 4:55 am on Jun 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

I can't imagine Google losing seat, however if I think about where Google and the web was just 10 years ago

True, but the internet isn't as new as it was and it doesn't change as rapidly these days. As things are stabilising, the big players are settling in.

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