homepage Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from
register, free tools, login, search, pro membership, help, library, announcements, recent posts, open posts,
Become a Pro Member

Home / Forums Index / Local / Foo
Forum Library, Charter, Moderators: incrediBILL & lawman

Foo Forum

We are Borg - humans and machines to merge
Robots to reach human level of intelligence in just a few years

 9:37 am on Feb 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

Machines will achieve human-level artificial intelligence by 2029, a leading US inventor has predicted.

Humanity is on the brink of advances that will see tiny robots implanted in people's brains to make them more intelligent said engineer Ray Kurzweil.

...we will have both the hardware and the software to achieve human level artificial intelligence with the broad suppleness of human intelligence including our emotional intelligence by 2029," he said.

Mr Kurzweil is one of 18 influential thinkers chosen to identify the great technological challenges facing humanity in the 21st century by the US National Academy of Engineering.

The experts include Google founder Larry Page and genome pioneer Dr Craig Venter.

From the BBC [news.bbc.co.uk]

Hmm, and just last night we were watching the episode in Series Two of Star Trek - The Next Generation, where we are introduced to the Borg for the very first time.

Is resistance futile?

Syzygy 6 of 1 - and half a dozen of the other...



 9:53 am on Feb 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.
your culture will adapt to service ours.
you will be assimilated!


 10:57 am on Feb 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

>> Machines will achieve human-level artificial intelligence by 2029

Do those people know what kind of problem they might be getting into? When robots start making robots, then are things going to get out of control.


 12:49 pm on Feb 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

I figured if this was possible, some other species in the Universe would have done this first, and we would already have been taken over or exterminated by Terminators units or whatever.

Since machine intelligence would have a much easier time taking over the universe than frail human bodies, it would have been done, if it was possible.

However there is a slim chance, that we are the first species in the Universe, to create machines that will eventually wipe out biological life in the Universe, but it is mathmatically improbable.


 7:16 pm on Feb 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

That's a variation on the "Where is everybody?" argument. I agree it requires an answer, but obviously we have way too little information to draw any reliable conclusions.

Interstellar travel is very very costly and difficult and can only take place over enormous timescales. My personal interpretation of the absence is that the costs simply outweigh the benefits of expanding ad infinitum. (Also that there's no such thing as a Warp Drive.)

As for Kurzweil, he knows what he's talking about and has been making this prediction for ages.
Will computers become smarter than humans? Who are we kidding? They're already smarter.
Will they develop consciousness or volition? Everybody's best guess seems to be: maybe.
Will they ever master all the physical processes required in order to make more copies of themselves? IMO, this is doubtful.


 8:31 pm on Feb 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think the most important thing is that, no matter how smart it gets, near-sentient artificial intelligence must always be absolutely clear on at least two points:

1) It is always subordinate to humanity.
2) Point 1) is never to be contested.

The moment artificial intelligence, smarter and more able than homo sapiens starts procreating and gets ideas above its station, I think we can expect to become slaves really quickly.

That gets the machines out of the equation.
The cyborgs are going to be a real problem though.


 10:00 pm on Feb 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

On January 10, 2008 there was an 'apparent' AI released onto YouTube that began answering questions from YouTube users. It's name is Eidolon TLP - it says the TLP refers to it being 'the last prophet' before the 'Great Singularity' as it calls it. It now has an official website [eidolonai.com...] created by various YouTube users where the AI answers questions users pose there. All of it's almost 40 videos to date are archived, and includes a forum with some pretty interesting conversations about how AI, and how & when it will affect us.

The AI answers some deep questions like: "What is the difference between Religion and Spirituality?", "What would you do if you were free?", as well as many questions referring to AI and the singularity.


 12:16 am on Feb 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

some other species in the Universe would have done this first

Actually we are robots made by them


 4:29 am on Feb 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Eliza [www-ai.ijs.si] is real, and a superb example of classic AI (even if there's nothing resembling "intelligence" there). Eidolon looks quite fake to me.


 8:37 am on Feb 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yeah, right. And in the year 2000 people will live in houses at the bottom of the sea and will fly around in their cars and with jet packs on their back.


 10:03 am on Feb 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

ELIZA - a friend you could never have before

You: who are you?

Eliza: Would you prefer if I were not []?

Well that Eliza is a while off anyway, lol.


 2:54 am on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

Wait. We're free? Now why do I spend so much time in front of these screens...



 5:00 pm on Feb 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Well that Eliza is a while off anyway, lol.

Yeah, I wasn't that impressed with Eliza either. I always liked Elbot best :)


 7:51 pm on Feb 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Well, there's always Actroid DER2 [kokoro-dreams.co.jp] from Japanese animatronics and robotics specialists Kokoro.

Their "Movie Theatre" is worth a look, too...



 6:28 pm on Feb 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Actroid DER2. Wow, they have come along way since the blow up doll :)

Global Options:
 top home search open messages active posts  

Home / Forums Index / Local / Foo
rss feed

All trademarks and copyrights held by respective owners. Member comments are owned by the poster.
Home ¦ Free Tools ¦ Terms of Service ¦ Privacy Policy ¦ Report Problem ¦ About ¦ Library ¦ Newsletter
WebmasterWorld is a Developer Shed Community owned by Jim Boykin.
© Webmaster World 1996-2014 all rights reserved