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England Euro Dreams
Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 7:35 pm on Nov 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

What's going to be the score tonight?

 

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 8:10 pm on Nov 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

unbelievable - unlucky - or crap save
Croatia 1

[edited by: Monkey at 8:12 pm (utc) on Nov. 21, 2007]

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 8:25 pm on Nov 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

crap goal keeper....arghh

King_Fisher

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 8:41 pm on Nov 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

>>> Whats going to be the score tonight? <<<

Unfortunately I didn't score!...KF

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 8:49 pm on Nov 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

****** &&&& ^^@@@@ - change the goal keeper and we might have a better chance of keeping balls out...

it's 2-0 to Croatia......mc clown has been experimenting.....

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 8:50 pm on Nov 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Don't worry about the girl KF ....warm up - we need you on the field.

King_Fisher

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 10:12 pm on Nov 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Monkey, Believe it, you dont need me on the field. Your already operating with an handicap! Also my wife is of Croatian descent and would throw a fix if I showed up with the wrong colors on!...KF

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 10:27 pm on Nov 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Believe me - you would have been more entertaining than the monkeys on the field....they're all laughing here in holland.

Gonna have to pretend am French tomorrow at work!

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 11:37 am on Nov 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well McClaren and Venables have both got the sack this morning after last night's shambles.

Bring on Jose :)

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 11:13 pm on Nov 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Sacked and paid off.....heard Mc Clown got a 2.5 million pay off

Visit Thailand

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 11:40 pm on Nov 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

His payoff and refusal to resign (so he can get the money) is a perfect example of all that is wrong with English football.

I can understand a man wanting money, but this guy did such a shambolic job that it would have been nice to hear he was resigning, not holding out for the obvious sacking.

All his talk of taking responsibility etc. lol what a load of &*$%.

I am actually considering applying for the job as obviously the FA are prepared to pay out big time no matter how well you do. And it can't get much worse for England.

They would have probably fared better with the Rugby Players out there, at least there would have been more passion and determination.

[edited by: Visit_Thailand at 11:41 pm (utc) on Nov. 22, 2007]

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 11:08 am on Nov 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

LOL - apply Visit Thailand! - You'd do a better job.

Oh well got the Olympics to look forward to.

Old_Honky

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 2:56 pm on Nov 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

I watched the match with mounting horror and a sort of grim resentment of the inevitability of it all.

Mclaren and his mentor Venables weren't up to the job and good riddance to them. The manager/coach is (by a long way)not main the problem with English football. These are the things that need to be sorted out before we start winning again.

1) Clear out the bungling amateurs who run the FA. My granny could do a better job than them and she's been dead for 20 years.

2)Stop paying the premiership players salaries that are way out of synch with their abilities. Most young men who earn 50 to 100K a week lack the motivation to do well and simply don't try hard enough. Crouch and possibly Beckham were the only ones who were any bloody use at all on Wednesday night. Also because they are all earning far more than their manager and an incredible amount more than the poor old referee they don't feel they should take instructions from these "social inferiors".

Lower Premiership salaries would also make it less attractive to foreign players and we might end up with a bigger pool of English players to choose from.

3)Encourage young players to develop skills and loose the "must win at all costs" mentality which has over excited parents shouting from the touchline and stressing out their kids, and grass roots team coaches picking only the bigger stronger lads and teaching them to lob the ball up front and hope for the best.

4)Force professional players to train more often so that they develop the skills they think they have.

5) The media must stop telling our sad and very average players that they are "World Class". They aren't and they proved it on Wednesday night. Beckham used to be but he has slowed up now so that he can no longer run on to passes and he has become the proverbial "one-trick pony" (free kicks). Players like Lampard, Cole, Rio Ferdinand, Gerrard etc look good playing in the premiership because they are supported by foreign world class players, when you take them out of that context and they have to rely on each other they look like a pub team. The media treatment of these players leads us to believe that we have a core of "best in the world" players and we are amazed that they haven't won anything since 1966, especially so when they fail to qualify for a major tournament. We shouldn't even be slightly surprised. These players have average skills, low intelligence and very little motivation. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a fantasy world. They don't even sing the national anthem properly!

6) Bring back the home internationals every year and allow some other guest teams into the tournament so that we have more opportunities for new players and combinations of players to be tried out.

[edited by: Old_Honky at 2:56 pm (utc) on Nov. 23, 2007]

RonPK

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 5:48 pm on Nov 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

@Monkey: you can have Van Basten as England trainer - any time, please, just come and get him!

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 7:32 pm on Nov 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

Agree Old Honky - the FA needs a change of the old guard. Probably will need an organised striking action outside the FA offices.

RonPK at least you guys are thru - anyway am feelin grumpy - might be becos have been pretending to be French whilst in Holland ;o) Carry on laughing at us - we deserve it!

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 12:23 pm on Nov 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

Gonna have to pretend am French tomorrow at work!

lol, Monkey.

Visit Thailand

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 1:19 pm on Nov 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

The FA has not yet responded to my application, so I shall wait. I am quite positive as I have told them I only need a million if I screw up. A massive discount on their previous disaster.

We will see...

But seriously, who do you think should take charge?

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 3:11 pm on Nov 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

LOL - think you'll get it as the local managers don't seem to want it.

Thus a foreigner will lead the team, give them more bonding sessions and hopefully a kick up the .....AS to which one? Anyone's guess is good, was surprised when McClaren was handed the deeds to lead the team in the first place.

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 3:12 pm on Nov 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

>But seriously, who do you think should take charge?

Should - Ferguson, Wenger, etc. imho

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 9:11 pm on Nov 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

Someone similar to Clive Woodward's ability.

Visit Thailand

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 9:09 am on Nov 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think the FA should completely change the way the England set up operates.

I doubt they would ever do this, but I would like to see someone like Shearer in charge of the coaching, backed by every single manager of an English Premier League Team.

What I mean is that every manager of an English Premier League team would have some involvement in the England team.

Perhaps the group of managers should each vote on team / squad selection prior to every game, with a match strategy that the coach (in this example Shearer) implements.

Initially I thought about just the managers from the big 4 clubs, Arsenal, Liverpool Man U, and Chelski but it could equally be every manager from the EPL. Or just the English / British managers.

England seniors should play the England U21s more often as they should Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland.

What do you think?

ringsoft

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 10:42 am on Nov 27, 2007 (gmt 0)


5) The media must stop telling our sad and very average players that they are "World Class". They aren't and they proved it on Wednesday night. Beckham used to be but he has slowed up now so that he can no longer run on to passes and he has become the proverbial "one-trick pony" (free kicks). Players like Lampard, Cole, Rio Ferdinand, Gerrard etc look good playing in the premiership because they are supported by foreign world class players, when you take them out of that context and they have to rely on each other they look like a pub team. The media treatment of these players leads us to believe that we have a core of "best in the world" players and we are amazed that they haven't won anything since 1966, especially so when they fail to qualify for a major tournament. We shouldn't even be slightly surprised. These players have average skills, low intelligence and very little motivation. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a fantasy world. They don't even sing the national anthem properly!

Rarely do I see a post that reflects my own views 100%. This one does, and is so very well expressed. Thank you, old Honky.

The only thing I would add is that Rooney is the one truly world class player England have. Shame he can't stay fit for a whole season.

The additional point I would make is that the FA and English Football generally needs to decide just how important the national team is compared to the Premier League. At the moment the national team is treated like an afterthought, a necessary nuisance. Until that changes, the England football team will continue to underperform.

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 10:28 pm on Nov 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

The rugby guys couldn't sing the national anthem properly either! In fact nor can I.......the anthem needs to be revamped.

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 10:34 pm on Nov 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

okay VT - don't think multi-managers would work.....nothing would happen......but how about a balloted style of selecting players and their positions?.....Each household gets a ballot.

Bet more people participate in this than the elections.

Old_Honky

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 1:29 pm on Nov 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

I hear "The Special One" has said he is waiting for the FA to call. I wonder how effect he will be at making a silk purse out of a sow's @rse when he can't buy in any talent.

They should give the job to Harry Redknap the guy would get the average English players to at least play as a team.

Old_Honky

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 2:17 pm on Nov 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't like the idea of group or collective management. IMHO it is the worst option, committees rarely reach the right decision (a camel is a horse designed by a committee)and take ages to do it.

Also Alan Shearer has not shown any evidence that he could be a good manager. He may have been a good player but good players seldom make good managers. Different skills are required and far more intelligence. Imagine the "Spud Faced Nipper" (Rooney) as a manager.

Give the job to Redknap.

ringsoft

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 11:41 am on Nov 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hard to imagine the FA giving the job to someone who's out on bail on corruption charges. I'm not saying Redknapp's guilty of anything, but the potential PR fallout is huge.

Really, I can't see why anyone would want the job. You only get to work with the team occasionally, league managers resent you for taking the players away and risking them to injury, the press are rooting around in your private life and are ready to pounce on the slightest whiff of scandal... and the public have unrealistic expectations of success.

Who needs it?

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 12:36 pm on Nov 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

Should - Ferguson, Wenger, etc. imho

Alex Ferguson? Are you joking?

Monkey

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 7:59 pm on Nov 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

Not sure about the "special one".....

I'd go for Benitez.....let's see what happens with Liverpool......

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Msg#: 3510781 posted 11:31 pm on Nov 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think Mourinho could be the only one capable of handling the press. Would he make a good England manager though?

I am sure he would be better than Allardyce, Redknapp (who probably doesn't stand a chance now anyway).

It needs to be someone who has won at top level, and there does not seem to be many English managers who can claim that.

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