| 9:17 pm on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Yo, Head! You the man! Keeping it real.*
*I have no idea what this means.
| 11:43 pm on Oct 9, 2007 (gmt 0)|
And I thought Johnny Cochran was dead!...KF
| 5:47 am on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
What about you lawman? Any famous clients (that you can talk about)?
| 6:27 am on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Not since I moved from Atlanta to Valdosta 8 years ago. Very few famous people come to Valdosta to get into trouble.
I miss representing strippers. Besides being easy on the eyes, they all had a steady stream of sugar daddies eager to help them out with their legal bills. :)
| 9:59 am on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
| 6:28 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
You do that by saying they keep their clothing on.....
| 6:45 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
| 6:51 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
| 7:04 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
lawman - a sucker MC stole my rhymes - do I have any recourse?
| 7:45 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Congrats to your lawyer friend, but that case is a good example of what's wrong with the legal system. Or at least with that judge.
|he case was a matter of a simple oversight. |
"When someone's this successful, there are chances things will fall through the cracks
Let the average Joe try the "misunderstanding" BS in court.
As for the "When someone's this successful" bit, well, when someone is dirt poor things tend to "fall through the cracks" too.
|"defendant may not have been aware." |
Not aware that he'd been arrested and had a court date? Damn, I didn't know that there were any judges that were that gullible...
| 9:26 pm on Oct 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
My former partner was just being polite. His previous lawyers, for whatever reason, did not notify of his court date. Then, when the #*$! hit the fan, they told him they couldn't get him out of jail in time for his next gig. That's when my former partner got hired. Lil Wayne made his next gig.
I was hired this past Friday on a probation revocation case where the client had been in jail for 3 weeks. The prior attorney told the client 1) she couldn't get the client out of jail, and 2) the best the attorney could do was move the hearing date up.
The probation officer was in parts unknown until Monday. On Monday I had four signatures (mine, the probation officer, the DA, and the judge) on a consent order setting a probation bond.
All lawyers are not created equal. Make sure you hire the right one the first time.
| 12:23 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Just an observation Lawman, but sometimes I think the only time justice is blind is when she's transfixed by the gleam of the gold...
| 1:00 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
And that is why I changed my mind about becoming a lawyer. Caught in possession of both illegal narcotics and prescription narcotics, and the lawyer still agreed to help get him out of jail? I certainly couldn't help put a figure in the public eye who commits that kind of of crime back on the streets and send out exactly the wrong message to his fans about breaking the law and drug abuse.
| 1:23 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I am sure he is only out of jail on bail until his trial.
This is available to most miscreants unless it is a murder trial
or terrorist trial and sometimes even to them unless they are a flight risk.
Remember you don't always get justice but you always get the law!...KF
| 1:27 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|sometimes I think the only time justice is blind is when she's transfixed by the gleam of the gold... |
My client's don't pay me to get justice for them, they want me to win.
|And that is why I changed my mind about becoming a lawyer. Caught in possession of both illegal narcotics and prescription narcotics, and the lawyer still agreed to help get him out of jail? I certainly couldn't help put a figure in the public eye who commits that kind of of crime back on the streets and send out exactly the wrong message to his fans about breaking the law and drug abuse. |
No doubt all of your potential criminal clients are thrilled to no end that you changed your mind. ;)
Of course if criminal behavior sticks in your belly, you could have been a prosecutor. And just think of all the other areas of law you could have practiced. No doubt whichever area you selected, you could have done it for free to make DG feel better about it.
| 1:56 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
>>DG feel better about it.
Don't get me wrong Lawman, I think we've got one of the best legal systems in the world, for the most part it works as intended. But sometimes, both of the thoughts in my previous sentences sadden me.
I much prefer the compensation system of old civilizations like the Hittites to the more modern penalty systems. The current system requires more prisons than we will ever be able to build and the idiotic three strikes system seems harsher than stoning offenders to death and much less viable.
| 2:18 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I'm yanking your chain a little DG. I suspect my personal philosophy regarding the legal system is closer to yours than not.
| 5:15 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
lawman, I hope it is not the surprise of the century, but I have never been to court. I have watched enough movies to give me an idea how it might look like though. The holywood version could be a bit different than the reality, more dramatic, but yet it is quite good for an image or two, I believe.
When I move to the US in about two years time, I might be interested to see a case or two of the good cases you attend :) Nothing scares me as being a witness or being tried for anything for that matter :), but I think it is very important to learn the laws and proper proceedings of a court.
| 7:49 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|When I move to the US in about two years time, I might be interested to see a case or two of the good cases you attend |
Law is like sausage; if you like it, you shouldn't watch it being made - Old Jungle Saying
| 9:31 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Hate to say how many high priced lawyers I beat in court as a cop. Trials are nothing like you see on TV or in the movies, especially when it comes to the average citizen. More than half plea bargain before going to trial, half of those remaining have their case tried before a judge, not a jury, and the rest go with a jury. Of all of those, in the case of criminal trials, <10% are found not guilty. And I never had a judge look as good as the female judges on Boston Legal.
Would you agree lawman?
| 9:36 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Its nothing like you see in the movies. Object, Sustained, Over Ruled.
Its normally slightly chaotic, lot of coming and going lawyers mumble.,
judges are all powerful and pretty much run their court room as they see fit.
Lawyers are mostly afraid to cross the judges because they have to come back
next week and try another case in front of them. Lawyers are some times ill
prepared to try their cases and have done little or no research on case law
and precedents. Hearings get rescheduled, clients and witness some time don't
show up. As Lawman said its not a pretty thing to watch!
Maybe that's why Justice's statue is blindfolded...KF
| 11:00 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
and then there is the language issue...
| 11:09 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|I never had a judge look as good as the female judges on Boston Legal. |
All the female judges I appear in front of are smokin' hot.*
As to the rest of what you had to say:
1) In a traffic case, it's tough to beat a cop who is well trained, follows his training, and has a few trials under his belt. I win so many because officers don't follow their training, then have to fudge or lie to make their case.
2) As to having a bench or jury trial, I generally prefer a jury trial. However, there is a particular court I appear in where there is no jury. I do not bind cases out to another court because my winning percentage there is so high. BTW, I ALWAYS talk to the cops first. Oftentimes the officer will agree to a reduction of charges even for a case that, for the defense, appears unwinnable.
3) Yes, the majority of cases are pled out before trial. However, I consider it a victory if the charge is reduced to another offense that the client can live with. I don't want to give any examples since there are many who will want to pick a fight with me over specifics. :(
|Lawyers are mostly afraid to cross the judges because they have to come back |
KF, I fear no judge. However, a lawyer has to know when to pick his fights with a judge. That's one reason why we have appellate courts. I currently have a case in the appellate court on a case I argued until I was blue in the face. Without getting too much into specifics, this was a case I had to win at motion hearing since I couldn't win on the facts at trial. When I lost the motion, I did a stipulated bench trial (no jury) and now have it on appeal. Winning that would give me satisfaction to no end. I might even appear smug in court if I get a favorable decision.
*It's either say that or invoke my 5th amendment right against self-incrimination. :)
[edited by: lawman at 11:34 am (utc) on Oct. 11, 2007]
| 11:21 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|All the female judges I appear in front of are smokin' hot.* |
And you wish you were the character Alan Shore.
| 11:33 am on Oct 11, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Ha, had to look that up since I don't watch lawyer or cop shows on TV. Unlike Shore, I refuse knowingly to do anything unethical. Believe it or not, most attorneys I deal with (including prosecutors) are men/women of their word. When all is said and done, the only thing an attorney has going for him is his reputation.