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Are the resources of the world misplaced?
Do people own things they don't really need.
Habtom

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 1:23 pm on Aug 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well, all is in the title.

I have come to believe that a large portion of the world's resources are on the hands of those who don't really need them. Do you feel the same way?

 

Essex_boy

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 1:38 pm on Aug 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

Are you a communist? ;)

Habtom

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 1:43 pm on Aug 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

Are you a communist? ;)

I wouldn't neatly shelve myself in any of those categories :)

Dabrowski

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 1:47 pm on Aug 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

You mean like all the money being in Bill Gates' pocket when he doesn't need it?

Wlauzon

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 2:32 pm on Aug 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

No I don't feel that way.

abbeyvet

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 2:56 pm on Aug 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

You mean like all the money being in Bill Gates' pocket when he doesn't need it?

He evidently agrees with the proposition and is busily redistributing his wealth to those who have much greater need.

Do people own things they don't really need

Unquestionably. If you look around your house, how much of the stuff in it do you want as distinct from need? Probably a good proportion.

A plastic watch tells shows the same time as a Rolex, but it doesn't make people not want the expensive option. That's want, not need.

I am completely astonished that people will pay thousand of pounds, or dollars, for a the latest Prada or Gucci bag, and even put their names on waiting lists for the privilege of doing so. To me that is wanton waste on one hand, but on the other hand I can see the point that if they earned the money they are entitled to waste it if that's what they want to do.

It's not a simple equation that if those who have consume less, those who have not will be better off. Could even work the other way. I'm no economist. On a personal level though, I think people are in some degree of trouble when they start to define themselves by what they own. Which a lot of people do.

Dabrowski

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 4:03 pm on Aug 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

He evidently agrees with the proposition and is busily redistributing his wealth to those who have much greater need.

Yes I had heard that he'd started a foundation for something.

Unquestionably. If you look around your house, how much of the stuff in it do you want as distinct from need? Probably a good proportion.

Hmmm, I wanted the novelty shopping trolley (I keep TV remotes in it), but I don't need 'Make Your Own Opoly'. I do want a 37" plasma TV, maybe someone wants to do swapsies?

A plastic watch tells shows the same time as a Rolex, but it doesn't make people not want the expensive option. That's want, not need.

I don't have a watch. Also don't want one. People who live by the clock are always stressed. Try taking your watch off for the day and not worrying about the time. Besides, in this world you are rarely out of sight of a clock of some sort.

To me that is wanton waste on one hand, but on the other hand I can see the point that if they earned the money they are entitled to waste it if that's what they want to do.

But you really have to ask.....has Paris Hilton really earned it?

I think people are in some degree of trouble when they start to define themselves by what they own. Which a lot of people do.

I agree definately. A lot of idiots round here have chavvy Corsa's. People like that define themselves by their assets. But all in all, it's still just a rubbish girl car.

abbeyvet

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 5:10 pm on Aug 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

But you really have to ask.....has Paris Hilton really earned it?

Funny thing is that Paris Hilton won't have to buy the season's hot bag, they'll give it to her, even though she could afford it. Sad thing is that loads of people who can't afford it will believe they 'need' it and will go out like lemmings and pay a fortune for it anyway, just because they saw it hanging from her arm.

It's a mixed up messed up world.

Habtom

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 6:38 am on Sep 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

Funny thing is that Paris Hilton won't have to buy the season's hot bag, they'll give it to her, even though she could afford it.

At least we know that some of the world's misplaced items are in Paris Hilton's hands.:)

Thanks for your responses. I appreciate it.

Habtom

[edited by: Habtom at 6:46 am (utc) on Sep. 6, 2007]

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 12:23 am on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Do people own things they don't really need.

It's been more than a few years since I've owned more than I needed. The beauty of that is, when I truly need something, it usually comes to me. I had that happen yet again this summer, when I came by a really nice digital camera. I got rid on one thing, and gained another. The process is commonly called bartering.

Most people, I think, do own much more than they need. I know people who don't even know what they have anymore, because it's become buried under all the newer stuff. And if it ever does come down to them trying to find something that's been around for a long time, they won't know where to look.

Dabrowski

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 1:08 pm on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

It really depends on how far you want to take this, all you really need is a place to live and food.

It's generally accepted that women need a handbag, so you could argue that Paris does need it, even though it's grossly overpriced.

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 9:49 am on Sep 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

>> Most people, I think, do own much more than they need.

I probably do, and I've paid the price and/or worked VERY hard for the money to be able to buy the stuff.

So, have folks like me committed the unpardonable sin or something?!?!

jecasc

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 10:39 am on Sep 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

Who is richer: Someone who has much or someone who needs little?

callivert

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 11:56 am on Sep 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'll answer the actual and the implied questions as well.

Do people own things they don't need? Yes, including vagrants who hold onto mementos, subsistence farmers who own hand-made art, and hermits with old books on a dusty bookshelf. Everybody has stuff they don't need according to a strict definition of need.

is this wrong? no.

are the resources of the world misplaced? no. "misplaced" implies that someone is to blame for how they are placed. Are the Swiss Alps misplaced?

is there a link between all the extra stuff that rich people own, and the need of poor people? no. It's pretty clear now that capitalist systems are better at helping the poor than well-meaning attempts to put the world's resources where they're "supposed" to be. Having said that, it's good to be aware that you are luckier than others, and be generous to people who are less fortunate.

shallow

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 3:27 pm on Sep 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

Vert well said, callivert!

King_Fisher

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 7:43 pm on Sep 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

>>> Are the resources of the world misplaced?"<<<

Probably, all I really know is someone has my share of the money and my share of the girls! :o)...KF

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 8:23 pm on Sep 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

There's a price to be paid for our choices and rationalizations and, more often than many folks realize, the price is paid - is manifest - in the here an now of those very same people, me included.

"Be the change you wish/want to see in the world." M. Gandhi

Easier said than done, saying it or acknowledging the saying ain't the same as living it. Still, beating one's self up "for not being/doing (whatever) has never proven, to my satisfaction, to advance that which isn't being done.

Of late, after 52 years, I've begun to understand - to grasp, accept, "make real" - the benefits of "small" advances, and of praise or acknowledgement, to myself and others, for taking action leading to such "small" achievements. "Small" is just another judgment and often, from a different perspective, "small" is actually momentous - that small step being the proverbial first step forward, often the one step that is most important.

Leading to the firm re-rooting of another lesson of life, the lesson that the simple act of choice, of choosing (somewhat the definition of the exercise of free will) - the self-determined act of what we call "will", which tends to symbiose with "courage" - essentially "the will to" keep putting one foot in front of another - just one step, one action, one "next thing to do" - is perhaps the most under-appreciated magic formula of life.

Choose something, anything and then "soldier it": courage, one foot in front of the other, again, again, again. Odd how "the strength" comes from "the exercise" of soldiering this and that and something else.

So, of late I purchased a set of collapsible baskets to mount to the back of my bicycle and now I have one less excuse for not using the bicycle for running errands. I love how this works as it handles 3 issues at once: Less fuel consumption, circumventing weekend traffic jams and getting a bit of exercise.

I'm looking for more win-win-win opportunities in my personal quest to leave a smaller footprint on the world's resouces and in other areas and issues of life.

Win-win. Who woulda thunk? ;0)

[edited by: Webwork at 8:38 pm (utc) on Sep. 9, 2007]

Dabrowski

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 11:09 am on Sep 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

handles 3 issues at once

Only 3?

What about the money you save on fuel?
What about and the fact you probably buy less 'cos lets face it you can only carry so much on a bike?

Habtom

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Msg#: 3434294 posted 1:32 pm on Sep 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

"I've begun to understand - to grasp, accept, "make real" - the benefits of "small" advances, and of praise or acknowledgement, to myself and others, for taking action leading to such "small" achievements."

Nothing emphasized the need of making small advances to me as much that sentence did.

Thanks for that Webwork.

[edited by: Habtom at 2:03 pm (utc) on Sep. 10, 2007]

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