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msg:3393828
 3:41 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

But something funny happened on the way to his cure for cancer. During his garage experiments Kanzius says he ignited plain old salt water with the same radio wave generator he was using in his cancer treatment.

Salt Water Fuel
[firstcoastnews.com...]

Here's the video...

[youtube.com...]

 

Dabrowski




msg:3393853
 4:02 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Very nice!

I'm still toying with the idea of using pure acetone as an additive to increase my mileage:
[metacafe.com...]

justgowithit




msg:3393856
 4:04 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Exxon Mobile is probably going to put a hit out on that guy now ;)

bunltd




msg:3393861
 4:11 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

pure acetone

That was on myth busters, (my 10 year old is a myth busters fanatic) according to their results, it actually decreased efficiency slightly.

LisaB

bcolflesh




msg:3393872
 4:21 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

...at best the energy required to burn it would be greater than the energy produced by burning it.

Kanzius admits that is the case now in this very early stage of development.

Still pretty awesome in terms of garage chemistry!

Realbrisk




msg:3393900
 4:41 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

On Abc show "American Inventor" there was a guy claiming to have invented the first engine running on salt water

grandpa




msg:3393958
 5:22 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

first engine running on salt water

OK, I'll be the pessimist here. Let's go ahead and try to deplete our oceans, along with every other resource on the planet. I'm in favor of nuclear power for everything.

Still, it is pretty damn cool.

Dabrowski




msg:3393974
 5:35 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

That was on myth busters, (my 10 year old is a myth busters fanatic) according to their results, it actually decreased efficiency slightly

Really? I watch that show too, haven't seen that one. Are you in the UK or US? I saw the one where they tried various ways of killing an old V8. What else was in that episode?

...at best the energy required to burn it would be greater than the energy produced by burning it.

Therein lies the problem. You can generate energy in loads of ways, but most require using more energy than you get back. Otherwise perpetual motion machines would solve all our problems!

I'm in favor of nuclear power for everything.

Suits me. But I think Russia should look for other ways! ;)

bcolflesh




msg:3393975
 5:40 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

OK, I'll be the pessimist here.

I'm in favor of nuclear power for everything.

Nihilist, I reckon!

bunltd




msg:3393984
 5:46 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Dabrowski, I'm in the US.

It was an episode from 2006 - Exploding Pants. They were busting a bunch of ways to increase your mileage, it ended up with them running a diesel car on old fry oil from a restaurant. (it got decent mileage, within 10% of regular diesel fuel and all they had to do was filter it)

bateman_ap




msg:3393988
 5:48 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

That one was on in the UK a few weeks ago. It's on every morning before I go to work on Discovery! Great way to wake up.

Realbrisk




msg:3394004
 6:05 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Really? I watch that show too, haven't seen that one. Are you in the UK or US? I saw the one where they tried various ways of killing an old V8. What else was in that episode?

Go to
[dynamic.abc.go.com...]

it was either in episode 1 or 2

Tapolyai




msg:3394073
 7:00 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

This is nothing new. "Radio waves" can transfer energy. We use it every day in microwaves (albeit at 2450MHz or so). I set pots on fire a few times :)...

The energy cost of lighting salt water is more than what it produces.

Instead, the tiny piece of info in the news release everyone should be concentrating on, is Sterling engine, or external combustion engine...

ceestand




msg:3394081
 7:13 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Salt water + metal engine = rust...

Dabrowski




msg:3394161
 8:19 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

ended up with them running a diesel car on old fry oil from a restaurant

Don't think I remember exploding pants.

Yeah I've seen that done on a show here called Top Gear. They diluted it slightly with white spirit and the car ran virtually identically.

Diesel's will run on pretty much any oil, my cousin runs his car on used engine oil when he does an oil change! I wouldn't do that though, I told him it'll knacker his injectors!

Realbrisk thanks for the link, but it just tells me I'm not in the US so I can't watch it!

or external combustion engine

I invented one once, although the insurance company kept telling me it just exploded! ;)

Salt water + metal engine = rust...

salt water + aluminium (or stainless steel, etc...) = lump of metal in water

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msg:3394171
 8:27 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

salt water + aluminium (or stainless steel, etc...) = lump of metal in water

Think outside the box. Why does the enclosure have to be metal? Or aluminum? It doesn't and I think corrosion is a simple challenge anyway.

ceestand




msg:3394185
 8:56 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Heat excludes polymers, vibration excludes glass, pressures exclude anything other than those two, plus metal. At some point the fuel, salt water, needs to enter the combustion engine.

Stainless steel is stain-less, not stain-proof, and given the conditions inside the engine, won't last long before breaking. Aluminum has a melting point too low to handle engine combustion.

Can it be done? Probably. Will consumers save money by getting free gas and paying six figures for a car? Probably not...

digitalghost




msg:3394191
 9:08 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

>>Aluminum has a melting point too low to handle engine combustion

Say what? World Products' all-aluminum Motown small-block is the "low carb" alternative [superchevy.com] All that's needed is a corrosion resistant cylinder liner. A titanium suboxide should work.

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