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Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd Dark Side of The Moon
Fact, Fiction or Urban Myth
graywolf




msg:3008709
 12:54 am on Jul 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you've ever wondered if there's any truth to the Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon Story but have been too lazy to try it on your own someone has done most of the work for you. It's only the first 43 minutes

[video.google.com...]

 

rocknbil




msg:3008954
 4:56 am on Jul 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

About five years ago someone broke the needle off my turntable while cleaning it (bless her heart anyway) and haven't heard D.S.O.T.M. since. Other than that, I see no relevance, I could not see a single connection. :-(

I'll be picking up the CD tomorrow though, I forgot how badly I missed it, thanks for that reminder. :-)

Rugles




msg:3009475
 3:40 pm on Jul 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have not done it, but I know lots of people who have. So it is not a myth, people actually do it.

youfoundjake




msg:3009490
 3:55 pm on Jul 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have done, the important thing is to have a vhs tape, not one that has been remastered. Takes me 3 or 4 times each time to do it, but its worth it, and the gang i show it for loves it everytime.

appi2




msg:3009501
 4:05 pm on Jul 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Had to search to see what dorothy had to do with floyd. Watched the vid. Don't get it.
jake
Stay of the mushrooms.

rocknbil




msg:3009689
 6:33 pm on Jul 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

So it is not a myth, people actually do it.

The "myth" is not that people do it, the myth is that there's some sort of correlation between the events in the movie and the timing of the music on the album. Perhaps I'm blind, but I just can't see it!

For the benefit of those that have no idea what we're talking about, here's some snippets of what it's supposed to do:

...First load the Dark Side of the Moon CD into your CD player and hit PLAY (>) and then immediately hit PAUSE (II) so it is cued up and ready to roll. Be sure also to set your CD player to continuous replay. .... The CD will play roughly two and a quarter times through the entire length of the movie....

Now get the tape to the very beginning where the BLACK & WHITE MGM lion roars. After the BLACK & WHITE MGM Lion roars for the THIRD (3rd) time IMMEDIATELY hit the play button on the CD player.....

.... The first indicator that the setup is correct: The transition from Speak to Me to Breathe syncs with the fade-in of producer Mervyn LeRoy.
Note: In the prologue, the word "Time" (one of the songs on the CD) is written with a capital letter even though it isn't at the start of the sentence. Also you will find the word "Heart" capitalized in the middle of a sentence -- a sound particular to The Dark Side of the Moon. .....

And so on, there are supposed to be significant correlations throughout the entire movie, if you use replay as specified. As I read through the "list" of correlations, I can see what they are looking at - I just can't define them as "significant."

Maybe it's like those lazer pics you have to stare at to see some stupid arcane object.

<looks again and blurs his eyes a little . . . >

I think I'll buy a new turntable and spin "Stairway" and "Number Nine" backwards, that will take up less of my day and probably be more fun.

youfoundjake




msg:3009849
 9:28 pm on Jul 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Had to search to see what dorothy had to do with floyd. Watched the vid. Don't get it.
jake
Stay of the mushrooms.

What's even funnier is the tatoo of the Wizard's Apprentice on my arm.

eelixduppy




msg:3009899
 10:12 pm on Jul 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've never actually done this but have heard much about it. Watching the video in msg #1 shows that it is true, for the most part. For those having trouble seeing it, you might have better luck at another part in the movie. Also, I think one of the most obvious giveaways--or extremely coincidental occurances--is that when the song changes the scene or the mood usually changes too.

P.S....Pink Floyd is AWSOME! ;)

mattglet




msg:3010341
 12:47 pm on Jul 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I honestly can't remember how many times I've done this (at least 50). I'd have to say that while it's definitely not a perfect match, there are some many cool and almost eerie things when it does match.

Wizard of Oz is my entire family's favorite movie, so I've probably seen it over 200 times in my life. Friends and I found the transition to WoO plus DSOtM pretty easy for a while.

Essex_boy




msg:3010679
 7:30 pm on Jul 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

What a load of shat.

I mean what numb nut put that together? Man they deserve to be sectioned.

Come on people reality check. (bangs head on desk)

[edited by: Essex_boy at 7:30 pm (utc) on July 16, 2006]

rocknbil




msg:3011126
 5:44 am on Jul 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

^ ^ ^ LOL . . . administers Essex_boy the appropriate dose of Prozac . . .

monkeythumpa




msg:3012137
 8:33 pm on Jul 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I was turned on to the phenomenon by a paper I read that was a statistical analysis of the correlation between the soundtrack (both contextual and musical) and visuals. The paper was from a university in the Northeast; Vermont or Massachussetts or New Hampshire. I looked for it but couldn't find anything on the 'net. From what I remember it scored in the high .8s with 1 being absolutely correlative and 0 being no correlation whatsoever. This was with an 85% confidence score.

That works out to a 1 in 30 billion chance that it is completely random event.

So I say this, if it is intended, it is an amuzing form of entertainment. If it is coincidence, then it is an amazing coincidence.

PhraSEOlogy




msg:3013238
 4:09 pm on Jul 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

They had a showing of this in a cinema in florida and I just had to go see it. It was really amazing to see the coincidences in the music/movie. The "atmosphere" in the cinema was also interesting - lets just say it was sweet smelling.

Essex_boy




msg:3013289
 4:39 pm on Jul 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

lets just say it was sweet smelling. - Well it werent me, I smell like the Essex mud flats.

Still dont think its true, - experts are wrong more often than youd imagine.

rocknbil




msg:3013410
 6:25 pm on Jul 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

Come on! monkeythumpa, are you saying some paper proved that is a planned correlation? That Pink Floyd sat around the studio timing their compositions to Wizard of Oz?

The coincidence, and that's all it is, reminds me of this quip: "If you put a million monkeys in front of a million computers, eventually they will rewrite the works of William Shakespeare." (Unfortunately, the Internet has also proven this one false.) If you look for a meaning, you will find one.

Has anyone ever attempted to play some other album of significance against some movie? I for one would like to see "Passion Play" against "The Passion of the Christ," or "Thick as a Brick" against "Alice in Wonderland." Those would probably be far more interesting. Especially if the part about the hare coincided with "I'm late . . . I'm late" . . . . .

monkeythumpa




msg:3013650
 9:17 pm on Jul 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

I didn't say it proved that they sat around and orchestrated the whole thing. All the paper said was that it was more likely than not a concerted effort rather than a random coincidence. It all depends on what 1 in 30 billion means to you. You might like longshots.

Hey, there is a chance I could win the lottery, but having a fairly good grasp of statistics, I don't put much weight in the dream of winning it. 1 in 14 million chance of winning here in California. And when you factor in the payout the pot has to be greater than $28 million just for you to get even money.

As for the monkeys, I am pretty sure it was an infinite number of monkeys and typewriters. A million wuold never come close, between poo slinging and banana breaks.

rocknbil




msg:3014992
 8:40 pm on Jul 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Not to mention debating Darwin Awards. :-P

willybfriendly




msg:3015033
 9:26 pm on Jul 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

The relative length of pop songs is far from random, generally falling between 2.5 - 3.5 minutes. Transitions within a song are even more regular - every 30 seconds or so.

The transitions in a performance - movies, plays, etc. - also show regular patterns.

I am sure there are studies about the phenomenon, and suspect it has to do with how the human mind works, attention span, etc.

My point is that a statistical anlysis that fails to take the existing patterns into account would be fatally flawed from the start. 30 second monologues would naturally tend to transition at the same point as 30 second verses or refrains, and 3-7 minute scenes would naturally coincide with transitions between 3-3.5 minute songs.

WBF

minnapple




msg:3015388
 3:03 am on Jul 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have went through 3 Dark Side of the Moon Albums, a couple of 8 track cartridges [ if anyone remembers what they were ] and a few cds.

In my teenage days, I listened to it while high.

Then, I could watch dust settle and say it was perfectly timed to it.

Another music myth, but a good one, because it is still alive ..

[edited by: lawman at 6:05 am (utc) on July 20, 2006]

Hester




msg:3015580
 9:19 am on Jul 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

If it was deliberate, then they would have made it a double album or even a triple album, to fit the length of the movie. Besides, Roger Waters has already dismissed this one. It's a happy coincidence, nothing more.

duncan biscuits




msg:3027604
 11:41 pm on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

You get some interesting results if you play DSOTM while watching Wizard of Oz on ITV or one of the UK's other commercial TV channels. For example, when I tried it the track 'Any Color You Like' coincided with an ad for Dulux paint. Similarly, 'The Great Gig In The Sky' was playing at the same time as a promo for Sky satellite television. Spooky huh?

On the other hand, I could be making it all up ;-> Why not try it for yourself?

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