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Firefox 2.0 To Set Browser Battles Alight
Firefox 2.0 Released
encyclo




msg:3131880
 4:23 pm on Oct 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

[business.timesonline.co.uk...]
Mozilla, the non-profit group that has become one of the biggest thorns in Microsoft’s side, will ramp up its assault on the world's largest software developer tomorrow when it releases a new version of its popular Firefox internet browser. (...) The launch of Firefox 2.0, which Mozilla expects to accelerate the product's uptake, come just days after Microsoft released Internet Explorer 7, an updated version of its own browser, to mixed reviews.

 

grelmar




msg:3132038
 6:24 pm on Oct 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you can't wait for the "official" release date tomorow, it's already available on a backwater of the OSU servers:

[releases.mozilla.org...]

jtara




msg:3132078
 7:01 pm on Oct 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

You might want to wait if you depend on a lot of extensions. Or if you depend a lot on extensions. ;)

Even minor updates tend to require updated extensions, due to Firefox's strict versioning requirement for extensions. You can get around this - with caution - by using the Mr. Tech Local Install extension, which allows you to ignore the version check.

I have some concern that there could be some major change in 2.0 that would require updated extensions. However, I did a search, and I do see that people have been using Mr. Tech's "make compatible" feature successfully with most extensions under 2.0 beta versions.

walkman




msg:3132449
 1:38 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I love my IE 7.0, no offense. Will try the new one but I have a feeling it will not stick for me.

JAB Creations




msg:3132513
 3:05 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

IE 7's GUI could be improved 5 year olds it's so bad. Firefox's default GUI is not setup for the common non-savvy computer user because apparently the developer's think their preferences override that of their target audience even though they (unlike the audience) can always remove items from their toolbars.

Getting past the GUI Firefox 2 does not have a new Gecko (though Gecko 1.8 fixed a few exceptionally obnoxious bugs and is mostly free of ancient bugs with a couple exceptions). Regardless the restore session and spellchecker make a new Firefox without a new Gecko actually worth looking forward to. The spellchecker could use a bit of tweaking but it is the first time (in my knowledge) that a spellchecker has been used inside of a browser without it being an extension.

I don't like Mozilla changing extensions to addons (lame). Also returning to GUI issues they bloated the icons making the icons themselves smaller but adding horizontal padding wasting space compared to Firefox 15.'s default GUI skin (icons with text).

Firefox 2 is ultimately an improvement in my view.

- John

jecasc




msg:3132743
 9:08 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Do IE7 or Firefox 2.0 pass the Acid2 test?

UserFriendly




msg:3132771
 10:00 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Firefox 1.5 fails. Firefox 2 fails. And I think even a five-year-old can guess the result with IE7.

UserFriendly




msg:3132774
 10:03 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is it just me, or is Firefox 2 actually just 1.5 with some preference tweaks? And I can't believe that they got rid of the fixed close-tab button.

Frank_Rizzo




msg:3133031
 2:23 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is it just me or is Firefox 2.0 not actually out despite various news sites saying it is?

Some say that FF2.0 is to released 24-Oct-06 at 11:00am GMT, whilst the BBC says it was available at 01:00 BST.

But the mozilla / firefox sites all say Download 1.5 now or get the sneak preview 2.0 RC3 (which is not the official release).

So is it released or not?

Frank_Rizzo




msg:3133032
 2:23 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

BTW, it is now 15:23 GMT here.

[edited by: Frank_Rizzo at 2:23 pm (utc) on Oct. 24, 2006]

jdMorgan




msg:3133086
 2:48 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

The sign-off meeting is at 11:00 Pacific Time (GMT -0800) today. I don't expect you'll see an official release until after the meeting.

Jim

surftrack




msg:3133542
 8:08 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

well in any event i get some firefox referrals every day, and am seeing so far today double what I normally get

....

so when is 3.0 coming out

:)

jdMorgan




msg:3133593
 8:43 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

> so when is 3.0 coming out

According to the project draft roadmap at mozilla.org, 3.0 should be released in the first quarter of 2007.

Jim

jdMorgan




msg:3133709
 10:54 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Firefox 2.0 is now available from the official site at [mozilla.com...]

Jim

Car_Guy




msg:3133738
 11:29 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've been using 2.0 since early this morning, and it works quite well.

The installation was as simple and painless as could be. It automatically overwrote the earlier version of Firefox, but kept all of my bookmarks, passwords, and everything else intact.

The only issue was that the existing version of the Adsense Notifier extension was not compatible, so it found the newest version and installed it.

I like the built-in spell checker. It caught two typing errors I made (using a keyboard with smaller keys) in this post.

So far, there's nothing I dislike about 2.0.

JAB Creations




msg:3133765
 12:00 am on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)


System: The following 5 messages were spliced on to this thread from: http://www.webmasterworld.com/firefox_browser/3133763.htm [webmasterworld.com] by encyclo - 8:58 pm on Oct. 24, 2006 (utc -4)


Firefox 2.0 has officially been released.
[mozilla.com...]

The best new features include restore session for when Firefox (or Windows) crashes which allows you to reopen lost tabs when restarting Firefox. The stability of Firefox has also increased dramatically. It also includes a spellchecker which is more useful then annoying though it could use some improvements. Firefox 2.0 is a branch which means there will be no new Gecko. Firefox 3.0 is a trunk and will include Gecko 1.9 sometime in 2007.

- John

travelin cat




msg:3133770
 12:06 am on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Using it now on my Mac. Just noticed that as I type in a dialog box that Firefox notifies me of typo's with a red underline. Control clicking on a typo brings up options to fix the typo... very nice.

zooloo




msg:3133779
 12:17 am on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

My browser now looks all silvery.. I'll get uesd to that and ignore it soon.

But my undoclosetab extension won't work! Eeeeekkkk!

What am I going to do to counteract my senior moments?

JAB Creations




msg:3133793
 12:32 am on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

On the downside the icons have a lot of blank horizontal padding in contrast to Firefox 1.5. I do prefer Firefox 1.5's skin over 2.0's.

- John

jdMorgan




msg:3133802
 12:45 am on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

> What am I going to do to counteract my senior moments?

Note that "unclosing" tabs is now a built-in function. From the built-in Help Tabs section:

Firefox windows keep a list of tabs you closed recently. You can restore any tab by selecting it from History > Recently Closed Tabs. You can restore all tabs by selecting History > Recently Closed Tabs > Open All in Tabs. Press Ctrl/Cmd+Shift+T to open them one by one in reverse order.

You can also use the "Nightly Tester Tools" extension to "force" older extensions to be considered compatible. Note that all this does is to override the Firefox/extension version checking -- It does not actually make incompatible extensions compatible. But many extensions declare that they are compatible only up to the then-current FF version, and so are shown as "incompatible" every time a FF update comes out. So, you will often find that the extension does actually work with the new version, but of course, you have to test it carefully, and there are no guarantees...

Jim

[edited by: jdMorgan at 12:47 am (utc) on Oct. 25, 2006]

Robin_reala




msg:3134118
 8:39 am on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

John: if you search for 'Winestripe' you'll see that the Fx1.5 skin has been made into a standalone theme for download.

dreamcatcher




msg:3134405
 2:43 pm on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I can`t say I`m too over the moon with the cross on the tabs. I keep closing tabs when clicking between them. Ok, there is the undo option, but still, don`t like it much.

dc

davidof




msg:3134515
 3:58 pm on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

The close button on tabs doesn't do much for me but works ok. I was used to right clicking to bring up the menu to close. The browser is quite a bit quicker at rendering which can only be good news.

It still uses quite a bit of memory. I have had it open all day with half a dozen or so tabs and 90MB used. Still this isn't much these days. I don't like the pale icons, makes it look like they are disabled.

Overall a nice improvement... and another reason not to upgrade to Fista.

dreamcatcher




msg:3134559
 4:35 pm on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Actually just found out I can disable the close buttons in the config. Yippee.

dc

Frank_Rizzo




msg:3134571
 4:42 pm on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Since upgrading I have a problem which I had with the 2.0 beta (deer park or something) I tried about 6 months ago. I remember now why I uninstalled it.

If I have a window (main A) with a javascript pop up - on first click the window pops up (pop up 1)

If I navigate away to different full size pages and then go back to main A and click the pop up link again pop up 1 does not come into focus. grr.

It was really annoying when that happened 6 months ago and it is disappointing to see it still happening now.

Rollin' back to 1.5 .......

Car_Guy




msg:3134604
 5:12 pm on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I haven't had a problem with pop-ups.

You probably know you can block them:

Preferences --> Content --> Block pop-up windows

StupidScript




msg:3134848
 8:45 pm on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I see the memory sucking is still going on. Bummer. That's one of the things I had hoped they would address.

Frank_Rizzo




msg:3134862
 8:52 pm on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Car_Guy,

No, I want specific popups to work.

If a window (main A) has a javascript link and you click it the pop up opens as expected.

If you navigate to a different page which fills the screen and then go back to window (main A) and click the javascript link a second time the pop up does not come into focus.

With 1.5 it does, with 2.0 it does not.

herb




msg:3134882
 9:01 pm on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google Data Collection part of Firefox 2

Firefox 2's Phishing Protection feature was developed from the Google Safe Browsing feature of the Google Toolbar for Firefox using code donated by the search giant. By default, the Phishing Protection feature checks every page you visit against a local blacklist of known phishing sites and displays a warning if the site is fraudulent. This list is periodically updated by Firefox while the feature is enabled

With this feature enabled, the URL of every page visited is sent to Google for checking over a secure connection

Mozilla Specs [mozillazine.org]

jdMorgan




msg:3135050
 12:09 am on Oct 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

The message says quite clearly that every page you visit is checked against a local blacklist, so I would not draw the same conclusion as you have that the URLs are being sent to Google.

Google has always been quite up-front about privacy issues; Turning on the PageRank checker does send data to Google, and they warn you emphatically about that. But from the description above, it looks like the checklist is downloaded from Google, and the sites you visit are checked against that local downloaded list...

Jim

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