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Ok, Enough with Features and Minutiae
What is your Overall?
Brett_Tabke




msg:4141148
 1:51 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

What do you think of the site on the whole?

The brand?

The value?

What is your OVERALL impression of the site?

 

optik




msg:4141637
 10:58 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Ok here is a more radical suggestion, WebmasterWorld is a great place to come and ask a question but as an information resource it is limited to a fairly rudimentary search.

Often insightful coding ideas or conclusions to difficult problems are buried in long threads making WebmasterWorld as an information resource fairly arcane.

Perhaps a mechanism could be put in place to allow the golden nuggets of code to be stored away from discussions an into a more indexable library for quick and easy access.

This would maybe cut down on the same questions coming up time and time again, and allow discussions to be more progressive rather than sticking to familiar territory?

penders




msg:4141645
 11:07 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

A few people seem to have an issue with the title 'webmaster'? Either being outdated or the fact that it includes the word 'master'. I have always thought of a webmaster as simply someone who maintains a website. It is a role, not necessarily a position indicating expertise. "Joe Bloggs is the webmaster for example.com". Joe Bloggs maintains and is the point of contact regarding updates to example.com. A web developer might not have a webmaster role and a webaster isn't necessarily a 'web developer' (by trade) - IMHO.

wheel




msg:4141646
 11:07 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

My opinion is as others have already noted. Good stuff, getting a bit less relevant and dated.

I personally attribute that to the fact that I think SEO has stabilized quite a bit over the years. We don't get any more directory or recip link rushes anymore.

I think the site as a whole needs to expand into some additional areas, many of them already mentioned. Maybe social media, maybe classifieds, maybe domains/sites for sale. Something that provides additional and ongoing resource and information to the community. Exactly what that will be is likely to take some trial and error. But something that makes us want to come back here every day/every week to see what's going on again.

tangor




msg:4141669
 11:32 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Had to bite my tongue. These recent begs remind me of that P*mp My Ride cable thing which watched once was enough. I guess Webmasterworld these days is closer to DIY on PBS... And all the used to watch Elmo and friends are now looking for an equally fast shortcut.

Brette, gang, count me among the true believers... maybe some eyecandy re: control of css, but DON'T CHANGE A THING.

blaze




msg:4141676
 11:37 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Take a look at stackoverflow. Probably want to do something like that.

Commerce




msg:4141681
 11:40 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

What do you think of the site on the whole?
In my mind, WebMasterWorld remains a strong industry knowledge base resource.

The brand?
For me, the WebMasterWorld brand equates to a trusted industry information resource (for both people and search engines).

The value?
I think that there still remains a strong value proposition here. Unfortunately for me, there is far less time these days to contribute or even view the site.

What is your OVERALL impression of the site?
I still view WebmasterWorld as my goto resource for a variety of issues, including research, information, perspectives and trends. That said, my own personal needs have changed for now, such that my reasons to visit have reduced.

Feedback:
There have been a variety of great suggestions already posted, so rather than "me too"ing all of those, let me just say that the ones focused on security, mobile device support and retaining simplicity were the ones with which I most agreed.

I can only think of one additional item for now. It might make sense to work out a reasonable way to score posts for their intrinsic value. Perhaps combining both user input and search engine referrals as gauges to rank a post's value may begin a basis for scoring. Having this kind of capability may help in engineering intrasite searches which point members and guests to the best of the best within the site.

As always, I continue to wish WebmasterWorld and fellow members all the best.

-Commerce

StoutFiles




msg:4141689
 11:55 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Great site for personal help, if I want an answer on a coding question I can usually get it here. Incredibly talented people for certain topics (for example, jdMorgan on the Apache forum). However, there are many questions that get ignored as well by being too obscure for most people to know off the top of their heads...but then again, that's why I'm here in the first place as I try to research the question before I ask for help.

Usefulness: 8/10

There's a big problem with the amount of, well what I deem to be "whiny" topics, mainly revolving around Google Search Rankings and Google AdSense.

"My clicks aren't worth anything!"
"My traffic's fallen 52.3%!"
"I don't rank first for a term anymore!"

I don't know if that's something that can be fixed per say, but they are a severe killjoy. Personally I want to see new coding questions/answers, and not the same tired topics.

Topics: 6/10

I know the big reason Feedback Days is happening...loss of traffic. It has to be. I'm pretty sure this site is hanging on by 50 or so senior members / mods who comment in multiple threads because I recognize the same names everyday. Not that that's a bad thing...but more "active" members would be nice, not ones who join for 50 posts or less then disappear.

Community: 7/10

Personally I like the design. White, gray, and light gray. It's not flashy but does it need to be? Well according to most people...yeah, it does. I've tried to get other webmasters to join but their first impressions are horrible when seeing the layout. The site looks archaic, a sea of gray rectangles. It loads fast and that's all "I" care about it, but if you want new users you need some color, some personality, some...something. Putting a green tint on personal posts isn't going to excite the masses, time to shake things up a bit.

Design: 5/10

twright




msg:4141714
 12:13 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I Love the brand - and when I say brand that is seperate from the logo and graphics. The brand is my perception of the value. The conferences are, IMHO, the best out there. I get more from Pubcon than the other conferences, and considering I speak at all of them I think I'm qualified to say that.

As far as the site, as others have suggested, I don't spend much time here. I find the navigation a bit clunky, and the graphics, while they shouldn't matter, I guess they do. The graphics look they were built with tools from 1996. I understand tradition, but tradition in this space is like accuracy in analytics - everyone says they want it but in the end it is somewhat irrelevant.

However, when I do run into a problem - like a site losing rankings fast - this is the first place I come to see if this is something that is just happening to my site or a world-wide algo shift. The recent Mayday coverage is a good example of the value here. I might suggest creating something a little more digestable for items like that. For instance, I had to slog through 5 pages of posts saying - "yep, I'm seeing that too." Perhaps during items like this there could be a quick recap done by an editor or moderator with the relevant facts so I don't have to spend an hour reading through so many posts - 90% of which are irrelevat.

I didn't mean for this to turn into a features rant and for this I apologize. But I do equivicate brand with value. I read so much these days and I need it to be able to make quick decisions - but I also would like to detailed minutia as backup in case I need that research. That would give me value.

creative craig




msg:4141737
 12:34 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

What do you think of the site on the whole?
The site needs revamping - I think a new logo with an updated header and footer would help its image! It just needs to look a little more polished..

Some integration with Digg, StumbleUpon and Technorati wouldnt hurt. These types of additions would not damage the look and feel of the site but only add.

Overall I love the functionality of the site, IMO nothing wrong with it at all.

The brand?
I think the brand is trusted and valued, maybe a little dated but thats not a bad thing!

The value?
Webmasterworld is the standard for Webmaster related content. If I have a question I come here, either the question has been asked and there is answer or I can post to the relevant forum and I will usually get a reply - if not I can ask the forum mod.

What is your OVERALL impression of the site?
High quality - but needs a new image!

Added:
A few people have mentioned biased and unapproachable mods in several threads, I agree with these sentiments and I would also like to add that some mods have an extremely elitist attitude which is completely uncalled for.

urbanwebkat




msg:4141752
 12:55 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

What do you think of the site on the whole?
It's the first resource I check when I'm having an issue; however, it's not something I read on a daily basis. There's a lot going on at any given time, and I don't have the time to wade through the junk to get the useful info.

The brand?
Strong. It's a valuable resource.

The value?
It's great for troubleshooting big problems. However, I don't have the patience to read through long threads on a daily basis. I used to go here for news but Twitter & other social media replaced it.

What is your OVERALL impression of the site?
It's dated. I like the simple design, look and feel, but it's not tied into social media where I spend the majority of my time. It's difficult to find info without a lot of digging. The community is close-knit and isn't welcoming to outsiders. However, it's worth dealing with if I have a real problem cause I know that I'll get the right answer.

Feedback
I'd like to see a more social element to the forum. If there's great info to share, make it easy to post on Twitter, Facebook and other social media outlets. Put Like/Dislike on comments under the original questions and have it actually move up in the ranks, closer to the original question so that the good content moves to the front of the thread and the bad stuff gets buried. Moderate out the "me too" crap that just makes the threads longer.

I don't care if you add advertising, but don't let it get obnoxious. I'm definitely open to a email newsletter that allows me to opt into sections that I'm interested in (please don't make it an all or nothing thing.) Allow users to post URLs; however, make sure that's a reward to long time posters. Don't let any Tom, Dick or Harry put his spam links in.

Hmmm, that's all I can think of at the moment. If I come up with more, I'll add it.

lorax




msg:4141753
 12:55 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I think the site as a whole is sinking under it's own weight. The content is great but for hobbiests and newbies it's very intimidating.

My perception of the brand is strong SEO/SEM. I don't even think about the PHP forum where I know there is a ton of excellent information that I have benefited from. Nor do I think about the CMS and Ecomm forums despite the fact that I'm a mod of one. This maybe partly driven by the fact that the membership has such a strong desire for SEO/SEM information. I'm not sure but I am clear about my perception of the brand. I think search engines and the games we can play with them.

ChanandlerBong




msg:4141800
 1:27 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

The one thing that has pained me about WebmasterWorld since I started coming here (with another account) in about 2004 is the fawning cuddling up to Google. They had only to fart and it was a frontpage thread. I just stopped coming here during the IPO because I felt I was on the pages of Yahoo Finance. Left a very bad taste in the mouth. Someone above mentioned the foolishness of letting the fox in with the chickens and I couldn't agree more. It was a bad strategic mistake.

Of course, I sense the atmosphere has changed somewhat and I almost smell the pleasure Brett has in frontpaging the latest google PR (original meaning!) disaster.

but the truth remains that such a backtracking wouldn't have been necessary had it not been for the era of making cosy bedfellows with the likes of MC. G made WebmasterWorld feel that it counted, they were important...it was, in a sense, seduced and it was a tawdry sight.

doodlebee




msg:4141810
 1:33 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I'm only on the first page of this thread, but I'm seeing some good points made here. Hopefully what I have to say isn't repeating what someone else has said - so I apologize if I'm restating something.

I don't think adding in social media and updating the look of the place would be a bad idea, nor would it cause "old timers" to get upset. I do think :splitting" the site (if I'm understanding what others are saying) would be a bad idea - I think that would be too much work for the moderators and owners of the site.

You all will think I'm crazy, but I'm going to put it out there - so please don't laugh at me, for I am about to expose something personal here ;)

Another favorite forum of mine is Ravelry (ravelry.com). Yes, I knit - go ahead and call me an old granny. LOL But as I'm reading some of these posts here, I can't help but think of the time I spend over at Ravelry. I keep thinking maybe the ideas presented in that forum might help what you all want to do over here.

By the way, if any of the moderators want to check it out, it's a free site, and they do not spam you at all. It might be worth it to mosey on over and see some of the stuff I'm talking about.

Anyway, some of the features that forum has that you all are discussing here might work. For example, they have 6 "main boards" that are strictly moderated - no discussions of raligion, politics, no flaming, trolling - you stay on topic or you're booted. They also have a system where a post will be under moderation and still visible, but they will not remove the post - instead they get two other moderators who aren't involved to review and get the general consensus as to whether or not it would be removed. This alleviates the issues of "one moderator attacking people."

There are a number of other boards on the forum that are dedicated to certain user-defined groups, and are run by the users who create them. I don't think that would work here - but the idea of having a separate few categories where people *can* discuss non-webmastering topics, and maybe allow some heated (but respectful) discussions would be good here. Sort of an "off-topic" discussion, and perhaps keep this section from getting spidered?

I also like the buttons the Rav forums have at the bottom of each post. They have "agree", "interesting," "educational", l"love" and "disagree" - although that last one gets a lot of flack because trolls like to go through and "disagree" with everyone. I think if you put that in, you might get some good feedback - people could agree without having to retype essentially the same answer, and the person asking the question would sort of get a tally of why that particular answer is reliable. If someone disagreed, I think it would be nice for a window to come up for the disagreer to say *why* they disagree, rather than allow "phantom disagreers".

I feel like I've gone on a speil here - sorry about that.

Anyway, I think maybe gleaning some of th good stuff you see from one forum would be good to use here, and I can't help but think that some of whats on that forum would work very well here, and leave room for everyone to be happy.

penders




msg:4141834
 1:46 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Another favorite forum of mine is Ravelry (ravelry.com).


Why is it mandatory to sign up even just to view the site contents when it is free anyway?

ChanandlerBong




msg:4141849
 1:53 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Others have mentioned that many of the top web developers elsewhere put together blogs with comments attached. Why can't WebmasterWorld do that?

have a separate "pro blogs" or whatever section. Get the big guns from this place - we all know the 50 names that probably contribute 50% of the content on here - give them each their own blogs. Perhaps have a blog attached to each forum. So you'll have an Apache blog, an Adsense blog, an Affiliates and Advertising blog, each maintained by the 1-2 recognised experts in that field on WebmasterWorld.

and put sensible advertising on the blogs and share the revenue with the blog authors. Give them the incentive to make the blogs as useful a resource as the forums they moderate or contribute to.

I think this would satisfy a lot of the disquiet people feel about the "overbearing rules" on the forum. Have a freer regime on the blog comments, not anarchy no, but far less stringent rules when it comes to link dropping and naming outside resources.

perhaps this would keep both sides of this argument happy.

Quadrille




msg:4141854
 1:59 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld is the best source of discussion on search, search engines and SEO (bar none). It generally has the latest information, and a wide range of views (from vapid to rabid via helpful and intelligent), which helps me to interpret the value / relevance of news. I don't knock the vapid or rabid - within reason, I find the Google haters often accidently offer a useful perspective, as do the M$ fans, so the 'broad church' is fine by me.

What I also like is that it has informed discussion for those in the know, while being able (pretty much) to support the ignorant. And I know, because in many areas of T'Internet, I am totally ignorant, and I've been helped immeasurably (and in my turn, I tried to help others, as do so many members here).

The design is very dated, and some of the functionality is weird, but nothing to get upset about - I'm happy to leave that to the obsessives, provided they remember that Content is King. :)

As I no longer contribute or even visit much, feel free to ignore my views!

mcneely




msg:4141872
 2:14 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

The success, or not, of Webmasterworld, is directly proportionate in relation to the numbers of webmasters there are out there that would take webmastering seriously.

How strict are you willing to be when it comes down to all of the internet garbage that's out there? How degraded would Webmasterworld care to be in this new century of fly-by-nite social networking sites?

No other webmaster forum can match the excellence, the higher standard, the quality, the uninterupted content, that Webmasterworld has .. and no other webmaster forum will.

I've been a member here for a while now, and I don't have much to say according to my post count .. but I do visit .. I read .. I learn .. I've found Webmasterworld to be a resource that would not be easily replaced should it's purpose be redirected.

I looked at all of the ip ranges/addresses that I've used over the years to access Webmasterworld. On the road, moving around from Washington State, to Texas, in order to complete my work, and Webmasterworld has been a part of it all. No other forum has had the impact, or has ever held it's place, in my world of the internet and all of it's dealings, like Webmasterworld has, over the years.

Am I a dinosaur? Am I a Troll? .. Not Likely.

There are very few "clean" places to go on the net. Very few places where one might get an honest, up-front, and straight forward answer to their webmastering questions.

Are the Mods at Webmasterworld snobby? .. The Mods only appear to be snobby to those who either don't, or won't, take the internet for the serious business that it is.

Are the rules too strict? .. Well, maybe they are .. to those who are used to freefooting around the net without a care in the world .. dropping link spam, and buying ad space for worthless flash-in-the-pan schemes.

I'm sure that Brett will do whatever he feels he needs to .. afterall, Webmasterworld belongs to him .. and he is well within his rights to make any changes.

I just hope that future change doesn't make Webmasterworld out to be just like any other dime store site professing to be the resource of choice.

is300guy




msg:4141896
 2:37 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I can still remember the first few times i visited your site after searching for SEO information, and honestly my first impression was that from the looks of this site it is rather outdated so more than likely the content is outdated as well.
After reading some posts and finding myself frequently coming here from Google SERPS i began to realize what a valuable resource your site is.
As several previous posters mentioned, it is quite likely that some of the old regulars to this site would not take kindly to a major aesthetic overhaul, however i believe that it would strengthen your image as a viable information source.

The web is about the here and now, it is about the latest cutting edge technologies and techniques, so looking up to-date is very important in my opinion.

Keep up the good work on the modding

Cheers

QualityNonsense




msg:4141903
 2:44 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

The brand?

Integrity. Trust. Wisdom. Been around for decades. Anybody who's anybody in the web world appears to have been a heavy poster at one time or another.

The value?

Monster library of old threads covering almost every topic related to webmaster & SEO issues.

What is your OVERALL impression of the site?

That it's not progressed in recent years.

WebmasterWorld was the very first place I learned my chops w/ HTML, c. 2002.

While the content is still awesome, from a usability / features / community point of view, little or nothing appears to have changed, improved or evolved in that time.

Don't get me wrong - the value is in the content.

But WebmasterWorld is now competing with 1000s of social media sites and blogs, and these are taking an ever-larger slice of the discussions that used to take place on WebmasterWorld.

Witness the explosion of SEO blogs in recent years, where a YOUmoz post on SEOmoz will take the place of the kind of discussions that used to go on at WebmasterWorld.

j_h_maccann




msg:4141930
 3:08 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Eight years ago, when I joined, WW was the only reliable place to learn; I'd come here purposely every day to see what was new and to look for answers to questions. But these days I just Google and that can answer any question in short order; WW very rarely comes up near the top of the SERPs, so I very rarely look in (much more likely to find Stack Overflow or Hacker News or blog posts). I see it is two years since I posted, probably that long since I visited, though I've steadily paid Supporter fees just through inertia. I'd have never thought of WW if not for the "to all" email.

jimbeetle




msg:4141931
 3:09 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Wow, Brett, tough questions. I haven't hung out here for some time because I decided to take a sabbatical from all things Google, Bing and other such for a year and concentrate solely on site development and content (turned out not to be a bad thing to do).

Anyway, when I decided to swing by two or three weeks ago I guess my first impression was, "Dang, the more things change, the more they remain the same." I was particularly struck by the noise. As has been stated above, all the basic questions that were asked last year, two years before that -- and years before that -- are still being asked and answered today (and usually by the same nicks that have answered them time and again before).

Now, I'm a dinosaur (Yes, one that still has to wear a webmaster hat here and there), and am used to WebmasterWorld being just what it is, but sure, some changes have to be made to enhance the brand and value and to attract new, quality members.

The look and feel? Sure, you can do anything you want with that to make it appear more up to date. Opening it up a bit -- not too much -- why not? The social stuff? Sure. As long as any changes don't deemphasize the real asset: the CONTENT.

That brings me back to the noise. I might be a dinosaur, but I can't help but think back to the proto-dinosaurs (you know the names) and the "conversations" they used to have on this board. Exciting. There are still some good conversations but there hard to find among the clutter. Might everybody be better served if these are the highlighted threads? As it is now, does it really help me as a "webmaster" to know that I can play Pac-Man on Google? Do we need a new featured Facebook thread everytime Zuckerberg burps? Where's the Mayday thread, you know, the one that actually is affecting webmasters?

Just my 2 bits for now. (And I do have a post to contribute as soon as I get it sorted out.)

John_Keates




msg:4141943
 3:27 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

It's a strong brand that doesn't need updating or replacement, a trustworthy site with information you can count on.

A very important side effect of the specific and maybe simplistic use of webmaster world is the fact that there won't be any real trolling, useless posting waves, unusable poeple or false information in here. The people don't want it, and therefore it's not here. The ones who post, adding to the content of the forums, they take their time to unleash their stance, views and overall expertise on the webmaster side of the world. They don't need to advertise their site or company, they don't need to hype somthing or force things down the throats of others. It's an almost universal content provider with no specific leaning to a brand or company, it's just webmastering and it's doing it in an almost perfect way!

The public attracted by the forums, by the brand, this website is exactly the kind of people who know what they can give and can be given. No 'givers' or 'takers', always both. (even posting 'stupid' questions are valuable, and are the answers). As long as that doesn't change, the brand stays the same, and the open access the site had stays the same, there is nothing that can go wrong :)

MatthewHSE




msg:4141964
 3:37 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

The brand?
Good but fading - participation is lower and new information is rarely the stellar stuff of a few years ago.

The value?
Pretty good for free. ;) But I let my paid subscription lapse quite some time ago and don't miss it. For paid memberships, Experts Exchange is a better value.

What is your OVERALL impression of the site?
I'm assuming these Feedback Days are most likely fueled by declining visits, posters, etc., so I'm going to be very honest with what I see here. No offense intended...

There was a time when Webmaster World was the most valuable site on the Internet for my needs, but now, I often find myself thinking of it as a somewhat crabby old man who can't stop reliving "the glory days."

Statements like "Webmaster World is the best" were once well-deserved, but such lines now seem parroted or cliched - kind of like that old farmer who insists he can plow as fast on his 1951 John Deere B as his neighbor can with his new-fangled combine.

I believe the site can survive and remain useful, but frankly, it needs some modernizing.

To start with, get a complete redesign that will be light, simple, eye-easing, non-distracting, but attractive. These are not contradictory attributes.

Keep a good linking policy, but loosening it up a bit (NOT to the extent of signature links!) would be more useful for everybody. (To me, a spam link is one that offers no conceivable value - but a link that helps me or someone else isn't spam even if the member who posted it is getting something out of it financially.)

Add AJAX buttons for positive feedback such as "Useful," "Accurate," etc. I'd personally rather not see buttons for negative feedback, but a simple "Report" button would do for cases of overt abuse. If negative feedback is considered necessary, a single "Not useful" button would probably do. The feedback system could be used for many purposes, both administratively and user privileges.

Keep things professional - no profile or avatar pictures, no signatures (or at least no signature links!) and keep a tight rein on language (I've been disappointed at an increasing amount of profanity here, despite the rules.)

Consider organizing threads by tags instead of individual forums.

Completely revamp the homepage - there's no reason for it to be only a list of forums and "featured threads." Add sections for "My Flagged Threads," "My Current Threads," "Active Threads," etc. (These could also be customizable so everyone could choose the lists that would be most useful to them.)

See about adding a "Weekly Conversation" or something - an Internet-related problem or conundrum of some sort, posed by the staff, which members could discuss in order to find solutions, work-arounds, and sometimes even just speculate about the future.

Modernize the posting process - and above all, put in a truly good system for posting code, including line numbering, indents, and syntax highlighting.

Trav




msg:4141977
 3:44 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Overall I think the brand and value haven't changed greatly in the last couple of years. The questions you should be asking (which you already know) are 'What problems are we trying to solve today?', and 'How are they different from the problems we initially set out to solve?".

I come here not for specific answers, but for interesting (and conflicting) viewpoints. There's more than one way to do anything, and it's usually the 'why' that makes all the difference. WW helps me understand the 'why', more often than not.

incrediBILL




msg:4142035
 4:26 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

The brand and value are still strong for what has always been WebmasterWorld's mainstay, Google, AdSense, Javascript, Apache (second to none), Spiders, etc.

However, we don't really have a forum of new technologies and as a result the hot topics about Smart Phones typically get hammered on by people that don't even use smart phones and don't have a clue.

Likewise, we don't have a strong Mac, Linux and Windows OS following either.

If you're going to keep those areas and truly round out WebmasterWorld that it will take a serious amount of effort to build up all the up sub-forums to the capacity they should be operating at.

Go60Guy




msg:4142036
 4:28 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

My participation with WebmasterWorld has declined in recent years for a variety of reasons, many of which have been articulated above. I think I can best illustrate why, from a personal standpoint, I find WebmasterWorld rather limiting in what I'm very often trying to accomplish.

At this moment, I'm seeking to develop a new approach, for me, to monetizing a number of my sites. I know others have done what I hope to do in relation to a specific piece of software, actually a WordPress plugin, that I use extensively. One factor is that on WebmasterWorld, there's a very real bias against WordPress, which I don't share based on my own experience.

Leaving that slant aside, however, I need to have a free ranging discussion with those who've gone before me. That requires references to particular sites and examples, and to other tools that can enhance the the likelyhood that what I wish to accomplish will work. Simply put, I can't have that sort of discussion on WebmasterWorld because of the limitations on referencing and discussing other pertinent sites. It's a policy which limits the extent of research I can do here because I just can't get the answers I'm seeking.

I'm as concerned as anyone about posters dropping spammy urls for say, payday loans, weight loss and the like. But there should be some middle ground that permits full treatment of a given topic, including reference to other useful and informative sites and materials. I find that sort of give and take on other forums, and only wish it existed at WebmasterWorld which, don't get me wrong, has been invaluable to me, in so many ways, over the years.

httpwebwitch




msg:4142052
 4:43 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I was asked to reply without reading all the other replies first. Here goes:

1) the brand

Strong where it needs to be strong, though weak in its imagery. Strong in that it is what the name claims to be - "webmaster world". It's the world of webmastery. Not some 2.0 keener startup named sitesploosh or popgopplr

Where it's weak is, it has less charisma than IBM. No pizazz or freshness. Many debates going on right now whether that is a good or bad trait.

2) the value


For me, incalculable. My career owes itself in no small part to the discussions that have happened here. I learned PHP from books, but I learned how to do PHP correctly by corresponding through the PHP forum. I learned SEM and SEO from experimentation, but I learned the jargon and the unexplored details from folks here. I learned JavaScript and CSS etc from authoritative sources, but I have always turned to WebmasterWorld when I hit a snag, and it's never let me down.


3) the overall impression


The overall impression is... WebmasterWorld is getting long in the tooth; it needs a facelift and a personal trainer. Full of wisdom, but sadly lacking fashion sense.

The status quo is fine by me, though I am eager to see what enhancements Brett & co. have in store for us in the coming months.

SkipIntro




msg:4142106
 5:27 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Basically, don't be DMOZ.

I see this as a huge opportunity to preserve what's great about WW and hopefully modernize and expand it. If our subscription rates are to remain what they are, there needs to be greater value and indications that the mighty WW is not going to fossilize.

If it means embracing social networks or updating the tech behind the site or simply adding more functionality to our user accounts, so be it. All those little things add perceived value and they all mean something because they indicate that the site is not stagnating.

It seems to me that the vision of what WW is and is going to be needs to be the point of focus. But I love you guys, so I see this feedback request as a fantastic first step.







Lost_Adonis




msg:4142123
 5:44 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I am new here and just overwhelmed with all the great knowledge and expertise. I like the simple layout and classic form of the forums. I suppose a little graphic design could be in order but over all i think that is more cosmetic over function and us webmasters seem to hold function over design.

C7Mike




msg:4142160
 6:19 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

To me this site is an authoritative figure getting old. It needs to be more relevant to me, more engaging, and easier to find solutions to problems already posted.

How about having each user fill out a list of the current needs or problems they're working on that others can see and offer advice or help to solve? This would make more effective what the forum is used to accomplish most of the time anyway: solving problems and networking.

Wizcrafts




msg:4142178
 6:52 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I find the WebmasterWorld Brand and Value to be way above all other technical forums I frequent. It is simpler to use, faster to load and not bothered by spammers (for long).

Since all of the members here are supposedly working Webmasters, we should really have nothing to sell to each other, aside from sharing our knowledge. That means keeping the no-URLs policy in place. All of the moderators are volunteers who donate their time for free. They are great people with tons of knowledge, who are usually willing to help others move up, one level at a time. The questions that are asked are usually answered in a useful manner, but often teach by example. The person asking for technical advice learns the answers by doing it him/her self, after receiving suggestions from more advanced members. That is where the Quality Value lies.

Overall, I think things work as they should, for the targeted groups of people who become members here. Little things can be tweaked, policies played with, search engines expanded, but the overall feel and steadfastness of Webmaster World is what gives it the strong Brand, Quality and Distinction is enjoys today.

It is not a crime to ask for changes to policies, such as the posting of personal URLs, or links to sites being discussed, but that will require a lot more work from the volunteer moderators, to keep spammers out. It is probably best left as it is. There are other places one can go where posting of URLs and links is already permitted.

I feel that Brett has been and continues to do an extraordinary job maintaining WebmasterWorld, including the huge server move of a few years ago. I lift a virtual mug of beer to him and all of our volunteer moderators! Keep up the fine work!

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