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subforum for new webmasters please
would help the newbies
pjaj




msg:4140866
 9:42 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

A subforum specifically for newbie webmasters would be great, and would minimise frustration for the "oldbies" saving on the whole "here we go again" snarky comments that can occur.

Just because someone already has experience in something doesn't automatically mean that everyone else already knows it.

This would also allow those who want to help absolute beginners to offer their assistance, and those not interested could just ignore that whole subforum

 

tedster




msg:4140882
 9:50 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

There is curently a New to Web Development [webmasterworld.com] forum - is there something we can do improve it or make it more visible?

There is only one "New to" forum to cover the entire spread of subject areas. Should some of the busiest forums have their own, dedicated "beginners" area?

Right now there's a paradoxical situation where beginners seem reluctant to post in the "New to" forum (maybe they don't know it exists) and other members post relatively advanced questions in there, being sensitive to their own limitations, I assume.

mack




msg:4140891
 9:54 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

I have always found WebmasterWorld to be a little bit different. There is an understanding that we where all new to the industry not so long ago. I'm one of the moderators at the new to web development forum, hope to see you there!

Mack.

pjaj




msg:4140906
 10:15 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Nice to know there is a New to Web Development forum ... I obviously didn't see it

Maybe it can be more visible somehow, because for newbies there is so much information that is way over their heads it can be hard to find what is relevant for them.

I'm not sure how you'd do that sorry (being one of the newbies myself - obviously)

micklearn




msg:4141283
 4:39 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Hmm...maybe test some sort of an "Are you new here?" or a "Just starting your site?" type of link based on when someone registers for the first time, that is front and center on every page. It could link to a walkthrough of FAQ's/related/most popular topics in the existing "New to Web Development" forum. Or, maybe include that link in a welcoming email for first-timers along with a suggestion to search for a desired topic before posting a question. Also, a "beginners" area for the busiest forums sounds like a great idea.

pjaj




msg:4142388
 11:04 pm on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

A lot of us newbies are only new to the webmaster thing, so are already familiar with searching for topics on other forums. The problem for a newbie is knowing what stuff is called so we know what to search for - and I've been slammed by oldbies on several forums for being ignorant. Often the only way to find what things are called is to read some stuff that other kinder folks have pinned or stickied or sub-forumed for us to get us started.

As micklearn stated: "a "beginners" area for the busiest forums sounds like a great idea"

MichaelBluejay




msg:4142536
 4:25 am on May 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Thumbs down. Posts should be in the category they're most relevant to, whether they're "beginner" or "advanced".

pjaj




msg:4142575
 5:44 am on May 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Ok, time for me to back out and get books from the library instead

old_expat




msg:4142592
 6:19 am on May 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

This is a good point. While there is the "New to Web Development" forum, posting a question in the PHP or Database forums can be a bit daunting for a newbie. Maybe more perception than reality.

But there does seem to be a bit of "learn elsewhere and ask intelligent questions here" mentality from certain experts.

Sometimes, one is simply not smart or experienced enough to know how to ask a question or what questions to ask.

That being said, I have had some outstanding help in both forums.

pjaj




msg:4142603
 6:42 am on May 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Well I've already (nicely) been told here that effectively asking a stupid question.

I thought the current push was for usability suggestions, and as a newbie that is a usability issue.

Wading through screeds and screeds of search results when you don't know what you are looking for and nearly everything is beyond you just reinforces the "stay out of this, you're too stupid to be learning it" attitude that really doen't encourage people to increase their skills.

I think I'll go unsubscribe now

walrus




msg:4142628
 7:01 am on May 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

is there something we can do improve it or make it more visible?

Just making it more visible at all would be good. Maybe even a link from the home page in a small colorful gif.

pjaj




msg:4142653
 7:28 am on May 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Nice thinking walrus.

Those ideas , maybe a stickied thread which has short descriptions then links to the relevant threads/posts elsewhere on the boards - that kinda stuff

Steve Newcastle




msg:4142782
 11:28 am on May 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

I do not like this idea of segregation at all. Surely what needs to happen is for simple questions to be simply put then the oldbies time wont be wasted. I am not a newbie but working alone I find some of the webspeak a little difficult.

mack




msg:4142812
 12:29 pm on May 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Posts should be in the category they're most relevant to, whether they're "beginner" or "advanced".


I see where you're coming from, but so some people the main topical forums are a bit intimidating.

Mack.

LouiseMarie




msg:4142882
 2:00 pm on May 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

This is a good point. While there is the "New to Web Development" forum, posting a question in the PHP or Database forums can be a bit daunting for a newbie. Maybe more perception than reality.

But there does seem to be a bit of "learn elsewhere and ask intelligent questions here" mentality from certain experts.

Sometimes, one is simply not smart or experienced enough to know how to ask a question or what questions to ask.


I've had some very helpful advice from experts and moderators on this forum before and from the way i've used it I would recommend that you should just post the thread in the correct subforum for that topic. However I understand the frustration of new users and possibly to avoid any issues there could be advanced and beginners sections for each forum, but then there will be issues over what people consider advanced or not. It can be incredibly daunting to a new webmaster and it's not always the case but the question is regarding attitude of more experienced users.

This is should not happen on a forum where you come for advice and help, scarcastic comments that belittle other users and question their ability should be removed from posts as they are not relevant to the topic and only hurtful and off putting to the people who really need a forum like this one.

If you have such a tight policy on advertising/promoting where you'll remove URL's do you have one regarding sarcastic comments that could be taken as bullying? (belittling anyone for their lack of knowledge is bullying no matter how you look at it)

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