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Jesse_Smith




msg:4140465
 5:50 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Why does every one use it? Cause it's da best!

 

topr8




msg:4140507
 6:08 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

sometimes i don't understand people's sense of humour ... i assume this thread is a joke?

Jesse_Smith




msg:4140510
 6:12 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Um, no, vBulletin is the best. Every one knows that!

travelin cat




msg:4140539
 6:35 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

The best what? Sarcasm is very difficult online, perhaps you could explain why changing WebmasterWorld to vBulletin would be a good thing?

g1smd




msg:4140554
 6:41 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

vBulletin has a boatload of Duplicate Content and crawlability issues.

I'd not recommend it.

mack




msg:4140900
 10:06 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

What can it do that the current software cant?

Mack.

Demaestro




msg:4140903
 10:14 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

vBulletin is bloatware.

Why would a group of webmasters and programmers use anything canned for their website?

That is like a baker buying bread from a grocery chain to sell at his store.

Maybe it is my bias but canned software is for the layman.

Matthew1980




msg:4140912
 10:20 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

That's a No then, unless that's sarcasm, which I doubt. As Demaestro says, why get something in when they have a team of developers to create... or is it just Brett in his office? I would love to know how many developers there are working for WebmasterWorld/PubCon.

When things are custom made you can engineer it just as you want it, with "out of the box" stuff it needs configuring. Gah!

Cheers,
MRb

moltar




msg:4140914
 10:22 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

+1 vBulletin + vbSEO = win

I think the main reason I stopped actively using this forum is because I just couldn't stand this software :)))

moltar




msg:4140918
 10:23 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

When things are custom made you can engineer it just as you want it, with "out of the box" stuff it needs configuring. Gah!


vBulletin has an extremely powerful plugin API and you can pretty much engineer anything you want. There is also a truck load of available plugins for all needs and purposes. It's also very fast, cache capable, etc.. etc.. it's awesome and very mature product.

Swanny007




msg:4140960
 10:51 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Just because something is popular or expensive doesn't make it the best.

Demaestro




msg:4140964
 10:57 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

and you can pretty much engineer anything you want


Yes but with something like PHP or Python you can engineer anything you want.

This is getting off topic but to set yourself apart from the other guys you can't be doing and using the same things and just style it differently.

I am surprised how many people complain about the actual forum... what doesn't it do that it should? I do like the "last post by" values but that is the only thing I can think of that I would add.

travelin cat




msg:4140972
 11:08 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

I think the main reason I stopped actively using this forum is because I just couldn't stand this software


moltar, maybe you could help us out and tell us what part(s) of the current system annoy you? It would be much appreciated.

ptech




msg:4140973
 11:08 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

If I had to choose between the current version of webmasterworld and vbulletin, I'd choose vbulletin. That's my vote.

mack




msg:4140990
 11:19 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

ptech, can you tell us why?

Chain Reaction




msg:4141009
 11:34 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

I use to recommend vBulletin till they screwed all their customers over with this new corporate management by saying "lifetime" licenses are no longer lifetime. I wouldn't recommend them. If you must use vBulletin, use the 3.X series as it's the best. Not only has the price of the 4.X series gone through the roof (you still have to pay it to use 3.X though), they've also bloated the thing more than it already was and turned it into utter crap. It's now a major headache to skin and they released the series with thousands of bugs, many of which still remain. I won't even begin to rant about the number of queries the lame excuse for a CMS uses. I was a dedicated vBulletin customer for many years but am currently writing my own solution, VB is just not what it use to be.

ChanandlerBong




msg:4141023
 11:49 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

aye, vB wouldn't leave alone. As a product, it peaked in the 2005-7 period, then they just added and added and added and added. Addled.

rogerd




msg:4141031
 11:55 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

For a serious community (i.e., one with a business model), the pricing differences in vBulletin versions are inconsequential. What counts is the combo of reliability, scalability, and continued development.

As far as crawlability and SEO, vBulletin is getting better out of the box and vBSEO does the rest.

One issue: WebmasterWorld has been popular (IMO) in part because of its speed. It's simple, and it's very fast. To duplicate this level of performance on vBulletin would take (my guess, I don't know all of the details) a significant hardware upgrade. I've got a forum that might be somewhat comparable in size that now runs in a cloud setup but would likely take a full rack of servers to handle. vB is hardware intensive, no getting around that.

Another issue: even with redundant or optional stuff turned off, vB will present the users with a more complex page than BestBBS. Many people like WebmasterWorld's minimalist look. (On my first vB implementation, I deleted gobs of code but caught hell from the admin responsible for upgrading it later.)

Having said all that, I'm a fan of vB because of the ongoing development investment by the company itself and the very active plugin community. The upside of "bloat" is that if you need a feature it is likely there already. If it's not, someone has probably written a plugin for it. Some of the Web's biggest forums run vB, which says a lot.

g1smd




msg:4141042
 12:01 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

As far as crawlability and SEO, vBulletin is getting better out of the box and vBSEO does the rest.

Seriously. Have you actually stopped to look at how many Duplicate URLs each thread and each post can have in vBulletin? It's insane that schoolboy design errors remain five years after they were first highlighted.

seoN00B




msg:4141099
 1:09 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I prefer simple machines. :)

xxclixxx




msg:4141124
 1:37 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Well the Pros to vBulletin is that it is popular so many people already know their way around the site. I mean Sticky Mail? What's that? Every other forum calls it a Private Message. So for newer folks it's easier when the site works like all the other forums.

Con is, well, there are a ton of features in it that WW currently doesn't have/need so it's useless space.

And as for price.. C'mon..

MichaelBluejay




msg:4141128
 1:40 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

An off-the-shelf product will never let you customize nearly as much as when you roll your own. The whole reason we're having "Forum Feedback Days" right now, is because this forum is custom-made and so the owner has the *ability* to tailor it *specifically* to the wishes of the membership.

That, plus it's likely faster than anything off the shelf. If I remember right it runs on Perl and text files, no SQL database. WW is one of the *largest* forums on the planet. That kind of size doesn't always scale well.

mattwmc




msg:4141255
 4:05 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I agree.

Use v-bulletin.

It looks the best/most professional. And make it 100 %width. Also use a cool theme with gradients. The current forum theme here looks like it was designed in 1989.

The login panel at the top of the page looks horrible. Its so small and very hard to find. Thanks.

Matthew1980




msg:4141411
 7:23 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

Use v-bulletin.

It looks the best/most professional. And make it 100 %width. Also use a cool theme with gradients. The current forum theme here looks like it was designed in 1989.


Image load time.... - clunky software?, yes this may be old s/w BUT it's PROVEN as a good bit of kit. This is a clutter free place that is used by professional developers and seasoned hobbiests, the content of posts is what matters, not the frills around it.

There is no need to add graphical aestheitcs here, people read these forums because there is no distractions, just plain text - this enables you to concentrate on the issues and where you can answer the question or just give your thoughts.

The only thing I could suggest as an improvement is to have (right hand column) the thread originator & last post by, that would be a helpful addition.

Cheers,
MRb

Stevietheman




msg:4144038
 7:44 pm on May 30, 2010 (gmt 0)

Switching from this board's software to vBulletin would be like going from one extreme to the other. I sometimes literally go cross-eyed whenever I'm on a vBulletin site, with its heavy features and its overly fancy approach to everything. I'm not sure if there's a just-right board software out there though -- they mostly seem to go for the bloat rather than pay the utmost attention to the core capabilities.

MisterT




msg:4144478
 8:16 pm on May 31, 2010 (gmt 0)

I would use this forum much more if it ran on vBulletin.

vbulletin + vbseo = good

Future




msg:4144492
 8:36 pm on May 31, 2010 (gmt 0)

Vbulletin is good, but existing software can definetly be coded well enough to beat vbulletin or any other script-code available in market today..
(Content + Domain Age + Trust + very less SPAM... definetly matters for webmasterworld)

You need to have idea, coder/developer can acheive the same :) maybe much better then vbulletin + vbseo.
(morever, some of vbseo url structure is copied directly from webmasterworld ;))

**Reading all optional comments in every scripts installs/admincp definetly helps**

Demaestro




msg:4144493
 8:39 pm on May 31, 2010 (gmt 0)

I still have yet to see one person on here name a feature that vBull does that this forum doesn't do.

What features would you like to see? Average post per day count? Thread currently being viewed?

Those are lame features IMO.

what features would you like to see implemented here?

slef




msg:4144973
 3:47 pm on Jun 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

I'd be very disappointed to see vBulletin used. I'm not sure what software is being used in WebmasterWorld (could it be published so people could get involved in fixing things that annoy them?) but it's a lot easier to use than vBulletin.

That said, I think (and it's been a while since I subscribed to a lively thread so this might have changed) that showing the text of replies in the email notifications is one place where other boards do it better than WebmasterWorld.

Future




msg:4145801
 6:22 pm on Jun 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

***I still have yet to see one person on here name a feature that vBull does that this forum doesn't do***

Not to argue but there are many useful features..

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