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How do we stay relevant in these wild-wild-west social media days?
Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 1:28 am on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

How do we stay relevant in these wild-wild-west social media days?

- Forums are taking hits all over the web.
- Software is pushing the envelop of 'connectivity'.
- The latest vbulletin is closer to Wordpress than it's roots of Ultimate Bulletin Board.
- Twitter as-the-public-chatroom has exploded.
- How many blogs do you have? Some senior members here manage dozens of successful blogs
- The twitter 140char format has decimated indepth quality discussion around the web.
- The average message length is about 30% of what it was 5 years ago here.

Can forums in this format survive?

How can the format be tweaked to encourage quality discussions?

How can we stay relevant?

 

roycerus

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 1:40 am on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Hi Brett,
My opinion:

* Webmasterworld and other such forums where a single niche is discussed have tremendous amount of quality information which will remain important in the coming years.

* Forums need to improve by using ajax - there is a vbulletin hack called "Live topic" - although it doesn't work properly I think this is the future. Message replies need to be live and should display without having to refresh. Doing it inside the thread is also not a good idea in my opinion - it may encourage short replies - it should be somewhere else - maybe on the home page. This will also add to the community feeling - and I think many members will keep the site open to view updates.

* Twitter is good for business/customer relationship - I find it similar to facebook if I have to connect with my friends. facebook is of course better cause it allows more rich media.

* Blogs are good to read - but forums and communities fill a completely different need.

Regards

adriansonline



 
Msg#: 4139531 posted 2:34 am on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

I think using Twitter to highlight interesting topics would increase people coming to chat. Right now, its about getting the eyeballs, then getting engaged. I'll be honest I get busy in the day and I don't visit this forum as much as I would if I knew the topics be spoken on.

Maybe adding a type of voting format for users to up vote threads might be interesting to-and then posting the top ten to twitter or facebook daily would help...

ofie2

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 2:36 am on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Brett,

Thanks for the feedback forums. I personally hate the social network craze. Forums like Webmasterworld are prefect. I can post a nice descriptive question and get respectful responses that have always, and I really mean always have received insight or help in a kind manner.

Can forums in this format survive?
- I believe so, yes.

How can the format be tweaked to encourage quality discussions?
- You just did it. By posting a thought provoking question that draws people in. Some people surf the forum regularly. I use it as a reference. As I have time I research topical issues as I need. Sometimes I need to post for an answer, other times I simply find a post that meets my needs.

How can we stay relevant?
- Simply keeping categories about current topics is all you need. The posters and moderators will do the rest. I believe that the Webmasterworld is the #1 resource for programmers like me.

Thanks,

Ofie

idolw

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 7:29 am on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

On social media you can be cool and modern but when it comes to getting something done you require proper knowledge. And knowledge is here.

nickreynolds

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 7:37 am on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

When fads and fashions change, often the dross gets lost but what is worthwhile remains. I dont think www needs to be running scared.
[edit] hmm. just realised that this is one of those short messags that Brett talked about!

FranticFish

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 9:06 am on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

I personally like the lengthy posts and discussions that forums offer. Social Media always strikes me to be nothing more than a few soundbites for what could be worth reading buried in an avalanche of inane chatter. Blink and you miss the occasional worthwhile titbit. I have an attention span; that's why I like forums.

graeme_p

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 9:08 am on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

People come here because its a forum. I would lose interest if it became more twitter like.

piatkow

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 9:25 am on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)


On social media you can be cool and modern but when it comes to getting something done you require proper knowledge. And knowledge is here.

I agree.

Scurramunga

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 12:06 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

I have no time for twitter either. Call me old fashioned. (sorry for the short post ;-)

wyweb



 
Msg#: 4139531 posted 12:28 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

You can't solve a coding problem using twitter. Most of the twits using twitter wouldn't care about a coding problem in the first place. You can't discuss graphics presentation or issues with Flash or server tweaks using facebook. You can alert people to where solutions to these things can be found but, again, most of that crowd wouldn't care.

Long before I became a member, WW ranked at the top, and continues to rank at the top, for answers to technical questions I was stumped on. There is a top notch tech aspect to this site that will keep hardcore members coming back regardless of what you do. This site is elite and that elite status needs to be maintained. If you start chasing the "Teenybopper/Mom and Pop/Don't even know what an attachment is" crowd you'll probably get them and it will turn WW into a vastly different place.

The twitter 140char format has decimated indepth quality discussion around the web.

Of course it has. And email killed snailmail. I say we kill em both. Are the twitter 140 characters the ones you want here anyway? I don't want em around. Anyone who can sum up their day in 140 characters isn't someone you're going to get interesting conversation out of to begin with.

pageoneresults

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 12:46 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Anyone who can sum up their day in 140 characters isn't someone you're going to get interesting conversation out of to begin with.


I take it you don't use Twitter? ;)

How does WebmasterWorld remain relevant? By keeping up with and outpacing the others. But, that is not the WebmasterWorld way. Much of the culture here centers around old school traditional values and methods. There are two generations now clashing at the public level, the old and, the new. While the traditional methods have appealed to the old, they don't do well with the new and changes need to take place.

Social Media needs to be incorporated into the platform. The ability to share discussions easily and/or a specific reply within the discussion which has always been a challenge due to users individual forum display settings.

Allow links. Yes, I know this has been the primary reason the old timers still hang out here, the no links policy. Well, I'm going to agree that it is time to change that. You have the talent and know-how to allow a URI posting policy, just do it and get some people back over here that have left for greener pastures where quality links are shared most of the time. Sure, there will be a few who abuse and you nuke em, it's that simple.

All this old school formatting you're toting around needs to change too. I'm used to the layout after 11 years of visiting but I'm sure the newcomers are a bit lost, it is not what they are used to seeing at the many other online resources. That can be a positive thing or in this case, I think it has turned into a negative.

It's time to take this 1990s Muscle Car and bring it up to 21st Century Tech. A new paint job, new interior, suspension, drivetrain, custom wheels, tires, and a FIRE breathing beast of an engine. Add a Turbo or Supercharger, a little Nitrous and we'll be off to the races!

jungalist



 
Msg#: 4139531 posted 12:57 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Make webmasterworld our customizable, one-stop information source.

Customizable homepage like those offered by major portals: rss widget, top threads, threads I've flagged for following, summary of latest items added to informational sections (ie user blogs, articles, news), personal to-do list, etc,etc.

Make it so that I only have to visit one website with my morning coffee and get my information at a glance. If that site is Webmaster World, then I get interesting industry-related conversations at the same time. I need to be able to put things where I want them or eliminate them if I don't care.

A real sense of community would help: user tips, user created widgets/code samples/software - open source the community. The internet has moved to a user-content-creation model, don't fight it.

wyweb



 
Msg#: 4139531 posted 1:03 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

The internet has moved to a user-content-creation model, don't fight it.

Yes it has. Anyone disputing this is wearing blinders.

There's a fine line though, a line that once you've crossed it turns a substantial, "meat and potatoes" information source into just another mainstream social venting arena.

jungalist



 
Msg#: 4139531 posted 1:08 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

It's an intelligent community - a certain amount of governing by the userbase (following preset guidelines, ala Digg) wouldn't lead to anarchy.

WW_Watcher

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 2:00 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

IMHO

Add social icons for webmasterworld traffic to use to promote webmasterworld, that is all the social media sites are good for really, letting your traffic talk about you, not using the social sites as a site owner to promote your site.

An ecommerce site might have more interaction with social media sites to promote products and news about new products, but even then, it will be mainly the traffic talking about the site that will get the attention and additional traffic.

WW_Watcher

rocknbil

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 7:56 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

How can we stay relevant?


What do you want, a social network or a webmaster discussion resource?

I think this is the only site that truly succeeds at the latter. Most of the others I've tried to participate in are ad-laden, ego-swollen neon signs that take freakin' forever to load with "want the answer? SIGN UP" at the end. They drive me nucking futz. If I can't find an answer here, I search them and get everything from soup to nuts wid languig dat drvs me up teh wall.

Sometimes being the odd duck is really the prime duck, but what do I know . . .

willybfriendly

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 8:11 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Twitter = Faux News, CNN, Etc.

WebmasterWorld = PBS

isorg

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 8:14 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Brett, if you ask those of us who have been here for a long time, how can WebmasterWorld be modernised, many of us will say that the format is perfect and no change is required.

But I guess that by asking us oldies whether we want change, you are asking the turkey whether he is looking forward to Christmas?

Have you considered continuing WebmasterWorld exactly the way it is, and maybe working on WebmasterWorld-v2.0 in parallel...?

Start with a clean slate, create a new site with a new focus, a new emphasis, suited for the modern times? Make it interactive, put in the AJAX that every wants, make a business plan from the outset.

Those who want to stay in the golden olden forum will do so, those who want the modern will go with the new one.

You can't please everyone with the current offering. So why not simply create a new one to serve the new gap in the market?

nigassma

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 8:26 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

There's a hierarchy of social media that many people who don't use all forms miss. I think that our niche as developers and designers drives the social media bus differently than say our average soccer mom would.

Twitter - 140 characters drives traffic via links to blogs and interesting discussions. It can also be a discussion venue between 2 or 3 people.
Facebook - Like Twitter, drives traffic, but can also be used as a forum to post images, etc.
Blogs - Are the driving force that starts our discussions. You have posts that are lists of "other posts", interesting techniques, tutorials, goofy videos, etc. All of these can be shared across different platforms and discussed.

I think that forums like WW should be our little inner circle that we bounce ideas off of eachother. If you're a poker player you know of 2+2. I think they (and a few others) can be marked as the reason why poker has thrived so well during this poker boom over the last 7 or so years. Discussions on hands, strategies, books, etc. are what drive blog posts, play at the tables, tutorial sites, etc.

WW can still be a resource for good questions and discussions, but the focus needs to be on helping build the social media atmosphere. Using it as a resource for future blog posts, or to bounce ideas off of other professionals about techniques (I guess sort of expanding the twitter convos) would be a good starting point.

Moderators need to start by starting threads with a memorable topic. There were a few posts that I remember that were what I would call "epic" by moderators. I remember a few by SuzyUK that really were heralded by all as being one of those that you can always go back to. I'm sure there are other moderators that do the same.

But more discussions like that are necessary to water down the day to day "why is my loop not looping" questions that everyone always asks when they're just starting out.

Why would we EVER want to split the new kids away from the older posters? You guys are our virtual mentors in a way. That would not help out the community at all.

ngrant

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 8:31 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

I think that WebmasterWorld is a HUGE resource for intelligent people with problems developing the internet. I have used a lot of the main social media options and have for the most part, not been able to find a better solution than this for most of my problems. I know that some of the other guys that work in my firm also use this site when we all get stumped with a problem as well.

On the other hand, I think that WebmasterWorld could definitely use a facelift, as well as some closer attention to the UX, make it easier for us to find existing posts with what we are looking for, and also to be able to find people that we can help answer their questions.

Here are some possibilities for improvement with pro's and con's for each

Ajax login -
Pro's:
I would be able to follow a link, login, and not have to surf back to the page I was just looking at

Con's:
I can't think of any, maybe security?

Tagging forum posts-
Pro's:
allow easier searching for what you are trying to find, having cross-browser issues? click the cross-browser link in the tag cloud and it will load a bunch of posts related to that problem.

Con's:
Clutter. Sometimes people will tag posts that are barely related to the issue, its not the most effective way to narrow down searching. But perhaps coupled with a search that will allow you to search for post's containing specific tags, as well as keywords, could help with this.

Live Chat:
Pro's:
Near instant answers, with the ability to communicate back and forth much more effectively

Con's:
Not everyone knows how to solve every problem, this could lead to people being asked about topics they have no idea about. The other huge con to this is that chat's aren't usually made public for browsing, which is one of the biggest resources a classic forum can provide. It allows me to find someone who had a similar problem and see their solution. If its already been solved, no one else needs to help me with it.

Allowing links to blogs, etc...-
Pro's:
A lot of good blogs and solutions already exist across the internet. I think that being able to compile these will help prevent people from having to solve the same problem over and over.

Con's:
A lot of bad blogs and solutions also already exist across the internet. without moderation this could become a huge problem

I think that moving more towards a social media approach is a bad idea, from my experience it tends to degrade the quality of help you can get.

mack

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 8:40 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Why change to be more like another business model with no revenue generation. The web is constantly evolving. 5 years from now the companies you mention may well only be visible on archive.org

Its easier to follow than lead, but being successful is never easy. (don't follow)

Mack.

webaddict

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 9:25 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

I love WebmasterWorld. YES, I have a low # of posts. I'm a lurker for multiple reasons, ONE being some of the rules in place at WW. Does not mean I don't come here often and always turn here for technical issues or deep intelligent discussion on matters important to me.

What I found from reading the replies to Brett's question?

80% of the big users on WW don't have a freaking clue what Facebook or Twitter is.

I have quoted some things that I agree with and disagree with STRONGLY below and I'll comment accordingly. I'm not trying to offend anyone or pick on anyone, I respect almost all of you especially the senior members that I have sucked knowledge and tips from like a baby calf.

I think using Twitter to highlight interesting topics would increase people coming to chat. Right now, its about getting the eyeballs, then getting engaged. I'll be honest I get busy in the day and I don't visit this forum as much as I would if I knew the topics be spoken on.


This comment above is a start to social media integration. WW is already doing it, although not well, on their Twitter account here: [twitter.com...]
Hot topics that are getting a certain rate of replies should be coded to automatically tweet to Twitter and post to Facebook. A link shortener MUST be used and even better would be bit.ly. We can all track engagement that way and see the success of changes and sharing of information.

People come here because its a forum. I would lose interest if it became more twitter like.


I agree! However, this user probably has never used Twitter in a filtered way in any way shape or form. Twitter is just a telephone, a pager, a fax machine, a telegraph, a western union post. Don't you get it? No one wants WW to BE Twitter but it is certainly time to start utilizing it and the other largest traffic source in the United States: Facebook.

I have no time for twitter either. Call me old fashioned. (sorry for the short post ;-)


No time for Twitter? But you have time to sift through hundreds of posts on WW? 88 characters and you object to Twitter. I'm really rolling my eyes here. Stopping in to use WW like Twitter and then objecting to it is a waste of ALL of our time.

You can't solve a coding problem using twitter. Most of the twits using twitter wouldn't care about a coding problem in the first place. You can't discuss graphics presentation or issues with Flash or server tweaks using facebook. You can alert people to where solutions to these things can be found but, again, most of that crowd wouldn't care.

Long before I became a member, WW ranked at the top, and continues to rank at the top, for answers to technical questions I was stumped on. There is a top notch tech aspect to this site that will keep hardcore members coming back regardless of what you do. This site is elite and that elite status needs to be maintained. If you start chasing the "Teenybopper/Mom and Pop/Don't even know what an attachment is" crowd you'll probably get them and it will turn WW into a vastly different place.


Once again this elite programmer needs to stick to coding, he/she's clueless to what Twitter or Facebook are even for. It's extremely sad to me.

I have a programming degree. I'm not clueless to your big bad code. I've solved many great problems here at WW, Twitter, w-----r, etc etc. There are more elite programmers on Twitter and Facebook than on WebmasterWorld: FACT.

If posts on Twitter / Facebook pointing back to WW are titled with technical jargon & descriptive info they will attract the users that know about those terms and clearly know how to use Twitter and are searching or filtering for those terms / mentions.

Problem posted on WW: I need help with displaying user variables to logged in users on my CMS?

Answers Posted on WW: Problem solved in under 20 posts.

GUESS WHAT?

Now it gains a solved twitter / facebook link (icon). The link will broadcast a prewritten tweet / status to the logged in user's Twitter and Facebook saying:

Problem Solved on @WebmasterWorld: Help w/ displaying user variables to logged in users on CMS? bit.ly/8jsfk2

Add social icons for webmasterworld traffic to use to promote webmasterworld, that is all the social media sites are good for really, letting your traffic talk about you, not using the social sites as a site owner to promote your site.


The social media sites are good for anything you want and you can do anything on them. Boxing yourself in is a decision unto yourself. But I do agree, links should be shown everywhere on WW to share individual POSTS, Topics, Threads, etc.

I really think that once a thread has been solved it could receive a special type of promotional Twitter and Facebook icon to share and promote the success & share the expert knowledge here at WW.

What do you want, a social network or a webmaster discussion resource?


A discussion resource IS A SOCIAL NETWORK. Please wake up people. Twitter and Facebook are only evolutions of our old amazing forums. They're quicker, nimbler and WAY more successful. We are a NICHE Social Network.

WW = The social network of, hehe, Webmasters (such a nostalgic term)

The aim is not to make WW a social network as we see Twitter and Facebook but to integrate it, like yesterday. Brett is doing a GREAT job by allowing open discussion and looking for outside answers. It's gotten too dusty around here and I won't keep my mouth shut any longer. :)

Twitter = Faux News, CNN, Etc.

WebmasterWorld = PBS


No, Twitter = ALL NEWS
WebmasterWorld = Webmaster News

Once again, 80% of people think Twitter is about CNN and breakfast. They have never really used the site. I'm shocked that such intelligent individuals cannot figure out how to filter the vast information of Twitter and Facebook into their beloved little information powerhouse. I'm beginning to think the knowledge around here is becoming a bit stale. :/

Can forums in this format survive?

How can the format be tweaked to encourage quality discussions?

How can we stay relevant?


No Brett. In "this" format this forum will wind down like a BBS losing landlines to call it.

Integrate social media and think about a hybrid system that uses Twitter / Facebook shares to rank the posts in a section that has some hot topics, threads, posts of the week, month and year.

WW IS relevant in it's niche. It needs a voice and most of that can be given as a job of "choice / voting" by the users. People want to share what is important or useful to them. This is why there are niche social media users that aren't talking about CNN or Ashton, GASP!

I posted my solutions here: [webmasterworld.com...]
which I don't think travelin_cat was thrilled with but I respect his opinion a lot. Whether he knows it or not, I've been watching him. :D


Read pageoneresults post. Simply put, right on the money.

webaddict

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 10:35 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

A little shocking looking at this video on YouTube Brett Tabke discusses how influential Twitter has been his line of business. Also talks about Facebook. Brett suggested other businesses use it, now it's coming to WebmasterWorld whether you guys like it or not. :)

[youtube.com...]

Or Search YouTube for:
Webmaster World CEO Brett Tabke Discusses Online Marketing for Small Businesses

wheel

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 10:56 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

It's entirely possible that the days of WebmasterWorld are on the horizon. Or maybe not. Brett said a mouthful in the OP, but I would offer the following:
- Not changing is one possible course of action. It may not be right,but it could very well be. I'd say there's probably been 3, maybe 4 turn overs of posters cycles here right? remember sugarrae? Shak? Darren? And probably more before that that I wasn't around for. The forum's still here.
- Changing and incorporating social media may be the way to go. Personally I see it as either a fad, or undefined (don't know where its going, but it's not there yet) and wouldn't chase it because when social media becomes irrelevant, then the site becomes irrelevant. But I don't have a good handle on it.
- Changing but not incorporating social media. Personally I like the idea of a more updated forum with more features plus some ads, a directory, classifieds. Let me rephrase that - quit screwing around with social media because it does nothing - focus on stuff that matters to us from a business perspective. give me more resources - does not have to be in a social media format. What's a real, quality controlled SEO directory worth? I don't think such a thing exists - WebmasterWorld could possibly make that happen, just as one example. in other words, focus on the information and resources not on how it's delivered. There's a dozen gimme's in terms of expansion that WebmasterWorld could be doing that aren't being done well elsewhere.

The two other areas I see out there that could be bumped up somehow are affiliate stuff and domain stuff. I don't know much about either, but see opportunity there.

And of course, the question is, where's the money - in the forum or the conferences? Pick one, and use the other to feed it, make some plans to make that happen.

webaddict

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4139531 posted 11:17 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Once again proving the top 80% of posters on WW are completely clueless as to what social media even is. If you think you know SEO don't you even look at your server logs?

- Changing and incorporating social media may be the way to go. Personally I see it as either a fad, or undefined (don't know where its going, but it's not there yet) and wouldn't chase it because when social media becomes irrelevant, then the site becomes irrelevant. But I don't have a good handle on it.
- Changing but not incorporating social media. Personally I like the idea of a more updated forum with more features plus some ads, a directory, classifieds. Let me rephrase that - quit screwing around with social media because it does nothing - focus on stuff that matters to us from a business perspective. give me more resources


Social media is a fad? Do you still believe that Google is a fad? No way, you call them a leader in the Internet world, you call them the leading search engine. Well WAKE UP and smell the coffee...

Facebook passes Google as the #1 site visited in the US in March 2010: [weblogs.hitwise.com...]

Fad? <rolls eyes> Please... this is just absurd. Social media isn't irrelevant. This discussion board is social media. Social media is just communication.

Is the telephone a fad? YES, because there is a better solution that does the same thing and MORE, it WAS called a cellphone, now it's a Smartphone.

Quit screwing around with social media because it does nothing?

Yeah, you're right. It only drives users, you know the humans with beating hearts that forums needs to survive! It is nothing but a pipeline diversion to add creeks and rivers of traffic INTO WW. No they won't all be muppets. They're are people just as intelligent in social media as there are here at WW.

Seriously? Hearing this continued rehashed mindless babble is just proving to me why Brett's email brought so many people back to the site.

They saw hope, sniffed change, got excited (I sure did) but the "Elite" Members are asleep at the wheel pounding away at their superior code. I'm sure most of these elite guys still have an early model Motorola Razor... better yet, you most likely have the Jitterbug because you miss your precious rotary dial. Give me a break. I'll leave now and let you continue your mainframe code in COBOL.

nigassma

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 11:57 pm on May 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Bravo webaddict. Remember what life was like before YouTube or Facebook? It's hard. YouTube just turned 5 years old and I think Facebook has been publicly available for 3 years? Remember when we all scoffed at MySpace never losing the crown of social media king?

Do you know who Gary Vaynerchuck, Seth Godin or Guy Kawasaki are? If you do, you can thank social media for that. If you don't you are not marketing yourself (or a successful one for that matter).

It's simple when it comes to social media. You either are the type of person who hates the idea and think its a fad. Or you are all for it and support the medium.

If you hate it you are most likely the type of developer/designer who is OK living on a modest income, building things for local rotary clubs and staying in your own niche in your own small town.

If you are into social media you are trying to make a name for yourself, be heard, get seen, make money on a large scale.

I think neither side will convince the other any differently.

rogerd

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 12:05 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I'd like to see some better integration with social media. Facebook Like, Tweet This, Digg This, Stumble This, etc., preferably with indicators as to what kind of uptake is happening.

Building moats stopped working after the cannon was invented. Maybe it's time to open some doors in the castle walls. :)

rogerd

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 12:13 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

>>80% of the big users on WW don't have a freaking clue what Facebook or Twitter is.

Although I disagree with this as a blanket statement (come to Pubcon and interact with some of the visible members here and you'll see many are SM-savvy), there is an element of truth in this. The reason is simple - social interaction on the web eventually becomes a zero-sum game. If I'm interacting with SEO and SM people on Twitter, I'm taking time away from WebmasterWorld. There are only so many hours in the day, and an experienced member who spends an hour or two conversing here likely won't spend another hour or two on Twitter and still more time on Facebook.

Finding that balance is tough, and that's a key factor in Brett's original question.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 4139531 posted 1:46 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

>- The average message length is about 30% of what it was 5 years ago here.

I need to correct this. We went back and looked at the data again today. I found that I was doing the cummulative percentages wrong (and including private moderators forum where they are a bit more talkative). In fact, overall message length is unchanged, if not a bit HIGHER over the last 10 years. It is up about 5-8% in the last 5 years. We are going to study this a bit more yet and may be put into the follow up post to this.

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