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|How do we stay relevant in these wild-wild-west social media days?|
How do we stay relevant in these wild-wild-west social media days?
- Forums are taking hits all over the web.
- Software is pushing the envelop of 'connectivity'.
- The latest vbulletin is closer to Wordpress than it's roots of Ultimate Bulletin Board.
- Twitter as-the-public-chatroom has exploded.
- How many blogs do you have? Some senior members here manage dozens of successful blogs
- The twitter 140char format has decimated indepth quality discussion around the web.
- The average message length is about 30% of what it was 5 years ago here.
Can forums in this format survive?
How can the format be tweaked to encourage quality discussions?
How can we stay relevant?
I would love to see insightful posts streamed to Webmasterworld twitter and facebook pages.
I don't visit webmasterworld every day; more like 3 times a week. But if I saw links to useful threads popping up on my Facebook, I would definitely check them out.
Twitter/Facebook work hand-in-hand with a forum, and I have had great success with my own forum with this approach.
Start letting WW subscribers interview movers and shakers via WW. Example, tell subscribers to write down a question they'd like to ask Matt Cutts.
Narrow the list down to an appropriate number of questions, email them to Mr Cutts and ask him to respond via email. Make his responses available to subscribers only.
Interviews like that will not only provide more great content, but may get quoted by major media outlets.
For whatever it's worth, we as a group could generate questions for ten or so movers and shakers every month.
Maybe there's a Java mover and shaker (engineer) out there that Java guys would love to throw questions at.
Just a thought...
|Interviews like that will not only provide more great content, but may get quoted by major media outlets. |
How would media outlets see it if it's behind the paid subscribers section? Interviews for the consortium of subscribers vs seeing very similar interviews on sites like smashingmagazine... hmmm, I wonder where the non subscribers will go.
...whatever changes you do, give me the option to have the old version look and feel, its the most pleasing forum for my old eyes..
I have to agree with webaddict - allowing integration of Twitter/FB will allow better promotion of news/topics and encourage the site to be seen by a wider audience.
No-one is saying that WW has to adopt the policies and trends of these sites, and others like them will come and go, but make use of the popular ones when it makes sense to do so.
dumb question - is there a way to get the RSS feeds of the forums i follow into my twitter stream? I know that twitterfeed can be used to send out your own blog, but could I get that for each new post in certain forums only? I am interested in ecommerce for example, but no nothing about PHP, so I would want to see ecommerce postings in my twitter stream but not php stuff.
Maybe Brett could make a twitter account for each forum to push out links. I think it would bring people back to the discussion.
I;m not exactly a power member, but in my opinion FB integration is a big plus. Twitter pushes tweets down very fast and you are likely to miss most important posts (unless you search for them actively) where as Facebook bumps up popular posts into your stream much like in forums.
A WW Facebook page that i can join and will display on my stream, say posts with over 10 replies (or other factors that make a forum post "important") will win many clicks from me and sort the important posts from what others here refer to as noise.
Couldn't agree more viggen, "...whatever changes you do, give me the option to have the old version look and feel..."
I see a few comments that seem primarily focussed on helping you make the site more profitable and I think they miss your request for feedback about making the site more relevant in an evolving internet.
I should be honest and point out that I left the IT/Internet industry to return to my first love, electronics, but if warned my membership of webmasterworld.com will lapse if I don't log in soon I most certainly will make that little effort at least - who knows, while I am here I might look for some poor unfortunate with at least a semi-legitimate problem who is somehow being ignored by the others and pose them a solution to their problem.
LOL, I think the site needs to simply CONTINUE and stay on track with it's mission as I thought I understood it: Help us help each other and ourselves.
I am posting in a hurry from work right now (they let me do what I like because they know I like doing what they want as well as the odd foreign thing) so I will reconsider this, press about in the site a bit to try to sense changes since I used to visit daily, read properly more of the other replies in this thread and re-post to this thread if I think of something I reckon more relevant to add.
I love webmasterworld.com and I sure hope this upheaval doesn't ruin it.
|How can we stay relevant? |
I think part of the problem is that the senior people with really great advice often have their own blogs these days, so they are going to post there instead of in a forum. In the old days I learned quite a bit here, but these days I usually only come here once in a while for the social aspects.
Part of it is just the way Google has evolved these days, too. There is no dance to analyze any more. The stuff that helped my sites to rank 3 years ago is pretty much the same today as it was back then. Write articles, blog, guest blog, blog comment, blog carnivals, get a few directory links, social bookmarks, forum links, etc. Start off going after easy terms and work your way up. Lather rinse repeat. It works, even for really competitive terms. No tricks or tips needed.
I kind of miss the old dance days and all the tips the black and gray hats that used to hang out here would pass along. But a lot of the old timers don't post here any more and even if they did I don't think there are as many tips to even learn. Ranking in Google, Bing and Yahoo is pretty straight forward stuff these days. It just requires decent content and some elbow grease in getting a critical mass of links.
dude! Imagine trying to learn how to use modrewrite directives or something using twitter! hahahaaa.
Blogs are blogs & forums are forums. This thing about the average message length drop maybe applies to teenagers and toddlers I imagine, I predict forum traffic decreasing but not disappearing.
I love webmasterworld.com and it will always play a role in my life. @roycerus ya ajax technology would liven up an old medium and make it more appealing. Just bring the look & feel up to date, make it a bit more funky & youthful, that's all I'd ask.
Brett, thanks for the Twitter links! I've already had 3 folks follow me from WebmasterWorld. I rarely Follow new folks these days but when it comes to WebmasterWorld members, my arms are open. Well, most of you schmucks anyway. :)
Nice to see little things taking place quickly, that's the way to keep this ball rolling. Thank you.
Interesting to note that the prolific @p1r is at 11,610 posts here but 17,857 posts on twitter. Maybe WebmasterWorld needs to integrate with Tweetdeek or SMS?
Just kidding :)
I ignored "DO NOT FOLLOW ME" after seeing you on mipasta's WW list. :P
|How do we stay relevant in these wild-wild-west social media days? |
Not by chasing the latest fads in social media.
Using SM to build or maintain awareness of WW is one thing, probably a good thing. Emulating SM is another, and probably a fruitless adventure.
The nature of WW and SM are two very different things.
Updating the look and feel, the navigation style, the featured content concept are all probably worthwhile.
Trying to be something you are not is probably a waste of time, and would most likely be so obvious as to ruin the franchise.
The franchise here is content. Durable, helpful, well thought out content.
If WW has a significant failing, it might be in presentation of that content.
The libraries are great, but probably could use a LOT more promotion, pushing the best of the best sort of thing.
|Trying to be something you are not is probably a waste of time, and would most likely be so obvious as to ruin the franchise. |
Agreed. The question is what is WW trying to be going forward? It already is a form of social media itself and always has been (in terms of how the site works). Old school, but social nonetheless.
It is also a huge source of information - the place where I used to come to de-mystify SEO stuff early in my career (still do, but less frequently).
Things have always been "wild-wild-west" and WW has always been the straight-shootin' sheriff who keeps the order in our neck of the woods and instills a sense of security amidst the wackiness around SEO and related stuff.
WW can still be that. But WW will stay relevant by including how social media (like it or not) is now part of the game and therefore, part of the WW conversation.
WW needs to evolve, to tackle new things and involve new people. I say embrace all of it, whatever it might be.
The conversations are going to happen, so if WW can adopt the right tools over here, the conversations will stay here and people won't have to go "over there".
Reading this post, I see Brett Tabke's profile has a Twitter button. I Look and see a lot of people have one. I've never noticed that members have Twitter buttons under their names before! Now, I've been reading poster after poster talking about modernizing and getting with the new social media web. I've felt a little upset about this because it sounds like too many people are requesting that Webmaster World switch to a vbulletin template and plaster 'follow us on Twitter, visit us on Facebook, watch us on Youtube, and 'add to MY favorites' (and 'rate this post':) links. I don't see any advantage or improvement in this strategy. This is the place where people come to learn, and fix, the code that builds, and builds up the world wide web. Leveraging the new social media here must have a more better meaning.
So now it hits me ! Here is the new social media layer already in existence, isn't it? All those Twitter buttons right there on the left are one of the future paths of Webmaster World. The possibilities are endless. Do these include live trouble shooting dialogues ? Everything that happens in this arena can lead back to Webmaster World. So - Leveraging: done. People who want to keep their anonymity under the rules: unchanged. Members who want to teach, promote, find clients, find designers, tell jokes, rant, cry about their girlfriend, bargain, plead, deny, sell and all other kinds of Public interaction: do-able.
That little Twitter button that I somehow missed on the left might be the doorway to a whole new incarnation of Webmaster World, while leaving all this existing goodness untouched. So Brette, wondering about The Future?: You've already got it covered...
|Can forums in this format survive? |
How can the format be tweaked to encourage quality discussions?
How can we stay relevant?
Of course you can, and you are relevant. This forum is specifically for the use of people looking for help with coding issues where you can get help and advice from knowledgable people, as far as I can see it will always be relevant.
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