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When large amount of money is involved
My first order customer requests we do an Bank LC for the transaction
Habtom




msg:3495975
 10:08 am on Nov 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have had a site, more of an ecom site, except that we are not planning to take any credit cards there and the amount is to be transferred/wired through banks.

This is the first order I got on this site and was surprised to hear the customer requesting for a Bank LC to be made. I am not planning to gain much of a profit for the next few months, but the hassle of going through LC is something I am not ready for.

What would you do on cases like this when a single sale involves a significant amount of money to make the customer consider a Bank LC.

[edited by: Habtom at 10:28 am (utc) on Nov. 4, 2007]

 

oziman




msg:3495977
 10:18 am on Nov 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Honestly,

If it was a good LC? I would take it.

Beyond that - in the US for our large purchases we use an Escrow service.

Green_Grass




msg:3496087
 3:01 pm on Nov 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yup.. Nothing wrong with a LC at sight from a prime bank. Just make sure, you can meet all terms under the LC and the customer does not put in a weird clause. Even if you donot have any discounting limits with your bank, you should be able to get full payment within 21 days of shipment. Do make sure a negotiable transport document is clearly required to get access to goods. Do make sure, the transport document is made out to the order of the bank and that all copes/originals are required before access to goods is granted.

However, if you have no experience in such transactions... take the help of someone who knows or donot do it. It is important to understand the fine print in an LC because if you make one mistake..you could get into serious trouble.

In the end, it actually boils down to the INTENTION of the customer...and the reputation of the LC opening bank and especially the country from which LC will be opened.

oziman




msg:3496246
 9:01 pm on Nov 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Just wanted to add that my curiosity is piqued by an ecom site dealing in Letters of Credit.. but I digress. Once upon a time I worked in import/export so it brought back some fond memories.

Hope it works out for you habtom.

Essex_boy




msg:3496517
 6:49 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Bewary of any issued by our friends those lovable Nigerian and Iranian chaps etc.

Habtom




msg:3496530
 7:41 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hope it works out for you

I have been working on it for a while, so I hope so too. Thanks Oziman.

I have had a few ecom sites with an average item price of about 50 USD. The average price for the items on the new site is at least going to be 165 times more than that. GG, I haven't got much idea what is required for LC or the difficulties in it, so I will be studying that a bit more.

Bewary of any issued by our friends

Essex_boy, is there any problem you see if our friends :) make the payment in cash through bank transfer?

Habtom

vincevincevince




msg:3496568
 9:00 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

make the payment in cash through bank transfer

Yes. A bank transfer is not a payment in cash and is nowhere near as secure.

The nearest you can get to a 'cash payment' is cash (physical printed banknotes) deposited directly to your account in a branch of your own bank (all major banks have branches in most major cities around the world).

No matter how our friends structure the payment there is a problem. Even if a block of gold arrives by courier.

As for LC; I'd be very worried about accepting one from a bank in a country other than your own. Have them open the LC with your bank and not theirs. They will have to pay various additional arrangement fees; but at least they get to use a LC.

Habtom




msg:3496584
 9:32 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

The nearest you can get to a 'cash payment' is cash (physical printed banknotes) deposited directly to your account in a branch of your own bank

I might have used the terms there loosely, but what you mentioned is exactly what I meant.

Green_Grass




msg:3496586
 9:36 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

"As for LC; I'd be very worried about accepting one from a bank in a country other than your own. Have them open the LC with your bank and not theirs. They will have to pay various additional arrangement fees; but at least they get to use a LC. "

Vince

This is not practical. As someone who has dealt with LC's for more than 15 years with minimum value of each LC's above USD 50,000 , I may advise that..

Lc's are opened from the buyers country (bank) on the supplier's bank (country). I think we are talking about an international LC not a local intra country one.

The Lc guarantees payment IF a certain set of conditions in the form of a set of documents is presented to the LC issuing bank.

The Lc is a bank to bank transaction. A clean LC will guarantee payment from the issuing bank to your ( negotiating ) bank without taking the buyers approval IF the documents are in order.
(the qualifying point is IF THE DOCUMENTS ARE PER LC TERMS)

If documents are with discrepency then, buyer approval will be sought by LC issuing bank, before any payment is made.

A standard LC should be Irrevocable ( cannot be cancelled by buyer).

A Lc will normally have the following set of documents...

Invoice in 3 - 4 originals
Packing List in 3- 4 originals
A certificate of origin ( in some cases)
A certain quality declaration ( in some cases)
A negotiable transport documnet. This may be in the form of a Bill of lading ( sea shipment) or AWB for an air shipment.
The buyer will normally insist for a clean on board transport document. ( this is his right).
It is advisable to ensure that the transport document is issued to the order of the LC issuing bank with a notification given to the buyer. At times, it may be acceptable to issue a transport document which is To Order and Blank Endorsed. This kind of a document is equivalent to cash for the bearer of the document as it gives access to goods.
Never send original transport documents by courier in advance to buyer. This makes the Lc redundant. Many smart customers put this clause in Lc which should be amended.

I repeat.. if you have no experience in dealing with LC's avoid same. Do study the provisons of UCPDC ( uniform customs and practice for documentary credits 500). All international LC's follow this uniform practice.

Here is a super tip..

If you are not confident with the customers bank, then you may ask the customer to allow YOUR BANK to add a Confirmation clause to the LC. This will ensure that your bank will scrutinize LC very carefully and CONFIRM to make payment to you incase of problems with foreign bank..(subject to documents being in order). This may cost upwards of 1- 2 % of LC value so try to get the customer to bear the cost.

If you are not confident about the Lc issuing bank..then you may ask YOUR bank to check if the issuing bank is categorized as PRIME or not. If you bank says the LC issuing bak is PRIME, then it means that THEY have confidence in that bank.

Do check the costs involved in negotiating an LC in your country/bank. It may be more than you expect.




LifeinAsia




msg:3496886
 4:57 pm on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Even if a block of gold arrives by courier.

Hey, I just got paid that way. It was a *lot* more than I was expecting. The chap said he made a mistake and asked me to wire back the difference. :)

Essex_boy




msg:3497438
 6:45 am on Nov 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

There may be, Im pretty sure ive heard on here of payments being withdrawn. Just have a special account at another bank and withdraw your funds quickly.

Or maybe im just paranoid

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