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Are there any decent two word .com's left?
dailypress




msg:3909057
 12:43 am on May 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

Damn it! I spent over 6 hours in 1 day at the airport looking for a name for my new business. Even names that dont sound good, dont exist anymore.

Has anyone been lucky with good .com's?

 

tangor




msg:3909107
 3:07 am on May 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

If we were I'm pretty sure we wouldn't share that! :)

With the proliferation of sites it is getting more difficult to find the right name. All we can do is keep after it.

dailypress




msg:3909113
 3:27 am on May 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

If we were I'm pretty sure we wouldn't share that! :)
I never said to mention the domain name, I was curious if anyone has been lucky with good .com's.

Honestly, I have searched almost every stupid combination of 2 relative keywords to my business + included the ones that dont really make sense either and they are all taken!

And it gets better >> They are all parked! They made No good use out of them!

I contacted a few of them, and one of the responses were: Our Company is not interested in selling this domain!

tangor




msg:3909127
 3:57 am on May 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

For those developing sites the parking of competitive names is a good idea. Depends on how deep the pockets and how lucrative the names might be. The concept of reducing competition by suppression is not new. Makes good business sense.

g1smd




msg:3909198
 7:22 am on May 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

I didn't think there were any two or three letter .com still available, and most of the four-letter have also gone.

dailypress




msg:3909379
 12:50 pm on May 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

For those developing sites the parking of competitive names is a good idea
Good point!

I didn't think there were any two or three letter .com still available,
Looking for two words not letters! ;)

onlineleben




msg:3909436
 2:09 pm on May 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

And it gets better >> They are all parked! They made No good use out of them!

Good for you, I think.
If those domains with your main keywords in it only show adsense or are parked, you can really develop something around your keywords.
Don't call it anything stupidkeywordcombination - thats already done by the others - but come up with something like totalwidgetinformation or officicalwidgetsite etc.(with widget being your favourite 2 word combo)

tangor




msg:3909463
 2:35 pm on May 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

Don't call it anything stupidkeywordcombination - thats already done by the others - but come up with something like totalwidgetinformation or officicalwidgetsite etc.(with widget being your favourite 2 word combo)

Waste of time. "They" have already been there, done that. Too many millions out there trying to make a buck. Don't believe me, try it and get shot down because they are there, done that.

The magic of words, keywords, is gone. Keep after it, just don't expect the magic bullet. Ain't gonna happen.

The guys parking near names, close names, sorta names are doing it right: they have taken out the competition. Get on track kiddies! Find something else that relates.

Think Steve Miller's "Baby's House". Might provide some insight.

cfx211




msg:3909489
 3:01 pm on May 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

I still find two word domain names for my niche. Sure its getting harder, but something is always out there that I can use. The last seven sites I have launched all have two word domains with 10 or fewer characters in them with the exception of one (had to go 3 words and 13 characters). All are on topic and a combination of brand/descriptor plus keyword.

That being said I have not found anything that is a perfect keyword/keyword combo and do not expect to. I don't consider it a major hinderance though. A snappy domain, good product, and great pricing get me by.

g1smd




msg:3909792
 9:08 pm on May 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

*** Looking for two words not letters! ***

Finally, you get to see the level of D'oh that I generally demonstrate at 7.20 am - and one very good reason why I normally have a shower and some food before going anywhere near the computer... except for today.

dailypress




msg:3912043
 7:44 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Don't call it anything stupidkeywordcombination - thats already done by the others
Would you recommend keywordcombination+(not so popular TLD's) over StupidKeywordCombination.com?

The guys parking near names, close names, sorta names are doing it right: they have taken out the competition.

I know a popular-one-word "keyword" with ALL major extensions as parked pages. They have been parked for years! Whats the reason behind that? Why hasnt anyone developed anything after so many years?
The .com version which was an actual site years ago was purchased by a company and parked ever since! A few people had appraised the .com for >$100,000. Interestingly enough the owners have blocked their WHOIS info as well. Are they not planning to sell?

I understand why someone would park (different combinations)+(Main Keyword) dot (all major extensions); but why park (the main 1 word keyword) + (almost EVERY extension)?

Are they trying to dilute and spread the value to different combinations of that one particular keyword?

HuskyPup




msg:3912553
 12:34 pm on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

Why hasnt anyone developed anything after so many years?

In my case many domains were bought full of good intentions to develop however time to actually do them has been scarce even 10 years later in some cases!

There is also the SEO "gaming" aspect that has changed, and even Google in its early years it was possible, to have multiple keyword domains interlinked etc. and more or less blow the opposition out of the SERPs.

Before anyone says "Tut, tut, you shouldn't have done that", it must be remembered we were ALL in uncharted territory, there were no rules, there were no historical guidelines or examples, it was ALL experimentational and we lived and died with the success or failure of those experiments.

Also don't forget those companies that have bought many of their industry widget keyword domains and typos, some with the intention to develop (like me) and some purely as a safety net.

I do have to say that I do not understand why any company that owns many of this type of name does not 301 them to their main domain or applicable domain site?

Maybe some of these large name owners simply do not "know" how to do it?

I know of one major UK PLC that actually pays a management company to "look after" its portfolio of 5,000 names. This I do not understand, ALL the registrars I use advise me of all impending renewal dates etc and even when I've let them drop they keep telling me.

Jobsworth I guess?

dauction




msg:3912565
 1:01 pm on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

daily press .. you can get one word keyword (let alone 2 word phrases)if you think outside of .com

Think Island Nations that promote their extensions as Gtld instead of as ccTLD

Makes no difference to the search engines ..and you'll have a unique address instead of a.com-mon address

gpilling




msg:3912574
 1:12 pm on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

Would you recommend keywordcombination+(not so popular TLD's) over StupidKeywordCombination.com?

I have an employee and a business partner who continually get confused about our .net domain name. They will think the site is a .com and try to login using that, or tell someone on the phone - followed by the inevitable yell "our site isnt working!". This causes me to pull out my hair. When it comes to customers, I figure if MY people can't keep the .net/.com thing straight, how will the paying customers?

I would recommend:
A name with 5-7 letters that is a made up word
a name that can be told and the spelling is known by the listener
a name that is a little memorable (Yahoo and Google come to mind)

Of course, a lot of big sites like Digg, Flickr (or is it Flikr?), Reddit, and the like are not easily told over the phone to a customer - but they are bigger than me, so what do I know?

And for your original question - yes, two word domains are still available. I purchased 7 this week in my area.

HuskyPup




msg:3912580
 1:23 pm on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

Makes no difference to the search engines

Unfortunately I have to disagree with this.

There is one specific Gtld for which it is very difficult to attain rankings in Google, not impossible, just extremely diffcult. I have managed to successfully get reasonable rankings in Google for this Gtld for one domain however all the others are a total flunk to the extent that only this last week I replaced a 4 year old site under a new Gtld and have 301'd all the other, not only non-ranking ones but also never spidered ones, to this alternative Gtld.

and you'll have a unique address instead of a.com-mon address

Yes and it is quite amazing how well many of these "others" rank far faster than a .com-mon.

My assumption (anyone with any input on this would be greatly appreciated) is that these relatively newer Gtlds are possibly viewed as less "spammy" and possibly more serious and valuable to the SEs?

Whatever it is they do rank extremely well...so long as all the usual correct site and page construction methods are used, of course.

HuskyPup




msg:3912583
 1:33 pm on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

A couple of other things...where is your target audience{s} and language?

Whilst most in the US expect a .com outside of there, in my experience, most are used to other Gtlds and in some countries they are the "expected" Gtld, not .com-mon.

Also is the site a business or informational site for national or international use?

dailypress




msg:3912618
 2:42 pm on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

I do have to say that I do not understand why any company that owns many of this type of name does not 301 them to their main domain or applicable domain site?

Maybe some of these large name owners simply do not "know" how to do it?

Maybe to remain anonymous and make a few cent clicks at the same time?

I know of one major UK PLC that actually pays a management company to "look after" its portfolio of 5,000 names. This I do not understand, ALL the registrars I use advise me of all impending renewal dates etc and even when I've let them drop they keep telling me.

Some like to just create jobs like the state of New Jersey where they have full gas service at all gas stations! I guess it helps the economy rolling… ;)

you can get one word keyword (let alone 2 word phrases)if you think outside of .com

gpilling, thanks. Yes, I am aware of that and own several own word domains with other extensions.

I would recommend:
A name with 5-7 letters that is a made up word

Yes I think one of my valuable domains is a 5 letter made up word .com. Although the word does mean something in a foreign language.

And for your original question - yes, two word domains are still available. I purchased 7 this week in my area.

Good for you. I couldn’t find anything. My first word was something like: my, your, I , e, … I tried over 100 combinations…and maybe that explains why Im outta luck!

There is one specific Gtld for which it is very difficult to attain rankings in Google, not impossible, just extremely diffcult.
...
Yes and it is quite amazing how well many of these "others" rank far faster than a .com-mon.

Im not sure if I understood this. This specific GTLD is very difficult to attain rankings in Google but it ranks faster than a .com?

A couple of other things...where is your target audience{s} and language?

Worldwide target.
English.
Unfortunately for this business the extension has to be .com

chicagohh




msg:3912628
 3:01 pm on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

There are still plenty of interesting domain names available and more are becoming available every day. Last summer I purchased around 100 or so domains at reg. I have sold several of those domains for over $2500 so far. I know it's not a lot of money, but it's bank in my pocket and I still own the majority of the domains - which are all very similar (think GEO).

HuskyPup




msg:3912761
 5:50 pm on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

There is one specific Gtld for which it is very difficult to attain rankings in Google, not impossible, just extremely diffcult.
...
Yes and it is quite amazing how well many of these "others" rank far faster than a .com-mon.

Im not sure if I understood this. This specific GTLD is very difficult to attain rankings in Google but it ranks faster than a .com?

Sorry, that's me rushing around!

No, this specific Gtld is very difficult to rank, period. There's nothing wrong with it however I feel there are probably a lot of bad associations with it and Google's algo especially marks it down.

I may be wrong however that has been my experience and that was using the same templates and construction methods I have done for many other sites that have all ranked well, and easily and quickly.

The "other" Gtlds I refer to using the same template can rank faster than a .com

callivert




msg:3913244
 6:03 am on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

There is one specific Gtld

What is it? Or is there some reason why we can't discuss particular Gtlds?

dmcleary




msg:3913339
 9:08 am on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Interesting question.

One of the delegates at a training event I delivered a few months back spoke about their experience with Google ranking domain names on their TLD.

They were insistant that the .coms were ranked highest then .orgs (?!) and then other TLDs. I can't find any info on this.

(Obviously this is for the same domain name with different TLDs).

2clean




msg:3913363
 9:50 am on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Lots of the no-brainer domain names have gone. You've just got to be a little creative now.

It's actually better now because in a sea of 30 results with keyword based domains, it makes it much easier to stop people dead in their tracks while they are scanning the results, with a domain name that evokes an emotion rathen than a keyword1-keyword2-keyword34U.com

:)

HuskyPup




msg:3913365
 9:59 am on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

What is it?

I'll reveal it if there is no objection and then we could possibly discuss others' experience of it in a new thread?

They were insistant that the .coms were ranked highest then .orgs (?!) and then other TLDs.

This is more suited to the search forum however there seems to be no hard and fast rule on this, and assuming the sites and pages are constructed identically, hosting location is important as too is domain age, authority status, backlinks and quite a few other "things".

I have quite a few trade widget non.coms which rank #1 for many terms however some of them have so little opposition it would be difficult to say with absolute certainty.

My gut feeling would be that most Gltds are treated pretty much equally for the US SERPs, outside of the US SERPs for sites hosted outside the US IS a different ball game altogether.

YMMV!

JS_Harris




msg:3913376
 10:08 am on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

widgetreviews would be a good two word domain but most every word in the dictionary with the word reviews attached was purchased and has parked pages on it. Not all, but almost all, and that's a shame.

callivert




msg:3913398
 10:33 am on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

It's probably safe to say that all the .coms for high paying two-keyword adwords combinations are taken, but there are plenty of nice two word combinations still lying around (depending on what you mean by nice, I guess) and your options open up more if you're prepared to throw a hyphen in there.

Bennie




msg:3913441
 11:18 am on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

New two word domain names are created each and every day. Think about it.

Gold rarely drops in your lap, but if you look for something hard enough, you'll usually find it.

HuskyPup




msg:3913510
 1:23 pm on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

If one thinks outside of the box there are still many, extremely brandable, 6+ letter words available in all extensions.

5 letter words are still there but much more difficult to find and not quite as fun or memorable words either:-)

pageoneresults




msg:3913512
 1:25 pm on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Let me preface this by saying that my domain portfolio is about to cross the 1,000 mark.

Just recently, I purchased 100+ killer domains that no one has thought about yet, I'm always thinking ahead in this area and since I'm active daily in the industry, I can see upcoming trends. I purchase based on those trends and the words being used. As an example, I picked up the German word for "see you soon". A killer 6 letter .com that may or may not see the light of day. I'm still thinking about that one.

I'll use NameBoy every now and then to get ideas, great little service. I've managed to secure some premium domains using that interface.

You have plenty of options here. Ever think about creating new words by adding letters (front/back)? You still get to use the keyword but it's phonetically morphed.

Don't give up! You need to do some wordsmithing and you'll find what you're looking for. When you do, be sure to get all the other TLDs and secure the brand. There are millions of good .coms left. Think of them like Gold. We've had the Gold Rush already. Now it is a matter of mining in areas that have yet to be mined. :)

BillyS




msg:3913549
 2:15 pm on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Create good content or services and they will come... How much do you think the names Google, Yahoo, Twitter... are worth?

Rosalind




msg:3913561
 2:29 pm on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Get yourself an old dictionary, or a list of expired words. There are many words that haven't been registered, including short dictionary words, because they're obscure or have fallen out of use. Maybe they won't get any type-in traffic, but getting something you can pronounce and that actually means something is preferable to one that's entirely made-up.

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