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cruxabhi

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 8:45 am on Dec 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

I want to book an .edu domain I been to this thread

[webmasterworld.com...]

But the problem is I am from India and this solution is only for American people. Can anyone tell me where from I am book a domain with .edu extension.

 

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 9:21 am on Dec 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

I don't think it's possible. Read the FAQ quoted:
The .edu domain is intended for accredited post-secondary educational U.S. institutions. It is managed under the authority of the United States Department of Commerce.

.edu is for US education establishments. Does India have an equivalent (eg UK has .ac.uk)

cruxabhi

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 9:29 am on Dec 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

it means if someone else from America can't book .edu domain.

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 9:56 am on Dec 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

No.

It means someone *outside* the US cannot book an edu domain. YOU cannot book an edu domain.

May I suggest you get someone with better English to read the FAQ for you; I suspect you may be misinterpreting the problem.

ergophobe

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 1:56 am on Jan 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Perhaps it will help to put it in other words

- no individual human being can get a .edu domain.
- only proper universities can acquire .edu domains
- only US universities can get .edu domains.

Getting a .edu domain is like getting a .gov domain (to get a .gov you must be an actual arm of the govt, though a waiver was issued to create a change.gov domain for the Obama administration, but even that request was initially denied because it is to generic to meet GSA rules).

aleksl



 
Msg#: 3816121 posted 4:42 pm on Jan 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

ergophobe, there are many variations of that. Federal Resrve is a private institution, yet they own federalreserve.gov - just shows you money and/or power can do magic ;)

pageoneresults

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 4:49 pm on Jan 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

only US universities can get .edu domains.

Pssst, only Accredited U.S. institutions can get .edu TLDs. :)

Eligibility for a .edu domain name is limited to U.S. postsecondary institutions that are institutionally accredited, i.e., the entire institution and not just particular programs, by agencies on the U.S.

Oh, and you won't be able to buy an existing one either.

Whew! I feel safer now.

Webwork

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 4:56 pm on Jan 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

aleksl, regarding the Federal Reserve System, a quick check confirms that the Federal Reserve System falls withing the "quasi governmental" agency model, with combined governmental and private arms/functions.

There are a large number of quasi governmental agencies/bodies which rightfully can place their agency sites under the .gov gTLD. They are creations of government and are granted limited governmental powers, such as the power to condemn property in the case of development authorities or the power to levy taxes/surcharges or the power to issue bonds, etc.

Thus endeth today's digression into government. Back to real work. ;)

Syzygy

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 5:19 pm on Jan 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

'Foreign' educational establishments can get a .edu, but the catch is that they must also be accredited as a US educational institution.

Thus a business school or university in Europe - or anywhere else in the world - could set up legitimately in the US, go through the accreditation processes and eventually get a .edu TLD.

Not quite worth that amount of time and trouble though, lol!

Syzygy

dailypress

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 7:55 am on Jan 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

yes, only schools and universities can purchase .edu.
However, if you know any student or organization they may let you setup a page such as : www.univerity.edu/indiaclub/studentname

onepointone

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 9:06 am on Jan 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Pssst, only Accredited U.S. institutions can get .edu TLDs.

I've seen more than one 'diploma mill' with an .edu domain over the years.
search: 'diploma mills with .edu domains' for more information...

rocker

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 11:22 am on Jan 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

You can purchase a .edu the same way as a .com if the .edu domain name was grandfathered under previous rules.

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 11:24 am on Jan 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

You can purchase a .edu the same way as a .com if it was grandfathered under previous rules.

Please explain.

My understanding is that you CANNOT purchase a previously owned .edu according to EDUCAUSE guidelines. They are not transferable under most instances. I'm sure there are a "few" exceptions to the rule but that whole .edu space is being clamped down on. Give it a few more years and I think EDUCAUSE will have cleaned up most of it.

I've seen more than one 'diploma mill' with an .edu domain over the years.

Many of us have. It's unfortunate because many of those grandfathered .edu domains leave a negative mark on the rest of the space.

rocker

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 11:37 am on Jan 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

My understanding is that you CANNOT purchase a previously owned .edu according to EDUCAUSE guidelines.

Those are the current guidelines. .edu domains that were registered @ the mid 90's were registered under different guidelines and the registrants of those domains adhere to the guidelines at the time of registration. I'm quite certain those guidelines did allow transfer of the domain to a different owner.

pageoneresults

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 12:06 pm on Jan 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Those are the current guidelines. .edu domains that were registered @ the mid 90's were registered under different guidelines and the registrants of those domains adhere to the quidelines at the time of registration.

That would be incorrect. All terms and conditions under the previous .edu space are NULL and VOID since EDUCAUSE took over the space in 2001.

1.1.g "Grandfathered Institution." A "Grandfathered Institution" is a registrant that was permitted to register a .edu name under terms established by prior managers of the .edu domain. The terms of this Agreement applies to all registrants including "Grandfathered Institution(s)" no matter the original registration date of the domain name. All prior terms and conditions to which the Customer may have agreed under prior managers of .edu registry are null and void from the date EDUCAUSE assumed management of the .edu registry, excepting that the Grandfathered Institution may retain those .edu names registered under prior managers. All names registered after October 29, 2001, must meet the current eligibility requirements. All Grandfathered Institutions are subject to the terms of this agreement.

EDUCAUSE Customer Service Agreement
[net.educause.edu...]

I'm quite certain those guidelines did allow transfer of the domain to a different owner.

And your thoughts on the matter now? ;)

rocker

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 2:32 pm on Jan 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

And your thoughts on the matter now? ;)

P1R, you haven't conviced me yet, however, I am intrigued enough to further research it :)

rocker

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 2:44 pm on Jan 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

P1R, you quoted the section 1.1g "Grandfathered Institutions."

1.1.h “Grandfathered Name.” A “Grandfathered Name” is a .edu domain name registered prior to October 29, 2001, the date EDUCAUSE assumed management of the .edu registry and registrar functions.

9. COMPLIANCE WITH .edu RULES AND POLICIES. You agree to abide by all rules and policies applicable to the .edu domain .......“Grandfathered Institutions” are exempted for “Grandfathered Names” at this time pursuant Amendment 6 to the Cooperative Agreement.....

pageoneresults

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 2:58 pm on Jan 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Whew, almost got me on that one. But, you left the important part of that quote out...

Once EDUCAUSE becomes aware of a violation of the .edu rules and policies, EDUCAUSE will notify the Registrant in writing via email and first class mail and, if the violation is not corrected within 45 days, will remove the registration of such .edu name and EDUCAUSE will return the name to the pool of available names as soon as practicable. Violations will be noted and dealt with regardless of how long such violations were in place prior to notification.

I'm letting you know that EDUCAUSE is taking no prisoners in this process. If the .edu is in violation of the current rules and regulations, there is a good chance that .edu is going to be terminated and returned to the pool for an "Accredited" institution to take control of.

Keep in mind that EDUCAUSE are the sole registrar for the .edu TLD. I've seen them make a lot of changes since they took over management of the TLD, good ones too.

Pursuant to Amendment 6 to the Cooperative Agreement

Ah, we've got to include this reference...

EDUCAUSE Policy Information Amendment 6
2003-07-25 - [net.educause.edu...]

Names in the .edu top-level domain, regardless of when issued, may not be transferred in any way by the Registrant to any other entity. "Transferring" includes selling, trading, leasing, assigning, or any other means of transferring.

If you don't drill down through all the EDUCAUSE Amendments, you'll miss where the changes took place that negate whatever may be written about Grandfathering at the top level.

P.S. I know you are back over there now digging through the docs! ;)

rocker

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 3:16 pm on Jan 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

P.S. I know you are back over there now digging through the docs! ;)

:) Actually I'm setting up some ice fishing gear. But I will be headed over there soon.

I also want to state that I wholeheartedly agree with you that EDUCAUSE should clamp down and clean up what little mess is still out there.

ergophobe

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 4:54 pm on Jan 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

However, if you know any student or organization they may let you setup a page such as : www.univerity.edu/indiaclub/studentname

I have an account at a large university. I can make as many such pages as I want (though I could also get fired if I used them in any way that violated university rules, so I don't). I even have access to another academic account on a supercomputer at another university because I have a collaborative project with someone there.

Anyway, my experience is that being hosted on a .edu doesn't provide any magic sauce. Literally, I type in exact phrases on topics related to my research and sometimes don't even come up using a site: command. When I do, it's a tag or category-level page one click removed from my actual content.

In that sense, those .edu pages perform worse than a two week-old .info domain. They don't rank and they are PR0.

Somebody (martinibuster I think) recently said that links from .edu domains have value for the same reasons as any other domain. If you can get a link from a page that is a recognized authority page in your area, then it will have great value, but I think the days when a .edu was assumed to be pure and therefore got a huge boost were killed off by the .edu viagra spammers of a couple years ago.

At least in my experience, a personal .edu page with few inbound links has little authority and passes little value of any sort unless there is some reason that it would do so apart from the accident of the TLD.

dailypress

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 10:44 pm on Jan 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

I think the days when a .edu was assumed to be pure and therefore got a huge boost were killed off by the .edu viagra spammers of a couple years ago.

I experienced differently. I manage a club website in a university and each back link has boosted my sites performance on Google SERP's.

I have ranked pretty well for those specific keywords in a matter of weeks.

ergophobe

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 1:48 am on Jan 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes, but does your club website have inbound links? Does it have good content? Would it rank if it were on some other domain? Or is it a useless site that magically has acquired value because it's on an .edu.

I'm not saying a .edu link doesn't have value. I'm saying that value comes from the same factors that make a .com link valuable or not, not some magic juice from the TLD.

Of course, I could be wrong. My experience is pretty limited. Just what I've seen.

Syzygy

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 2:04 am on Jan 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

In answer to the OP...

...you cannot get a new .edu domain unless your organiation fulfils the criterium outlined.

Does .edu boost rankings? A quick g.com search for 'mba' (as a competitive international example) doesn't show a .edu on the first page.

Likely now only of limited value if you're aiming at the domestic north american market.

Syzygy

gamiziuk

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Msg#: 3816121 posted 9:02 pm on Feb 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

cruxabhi, your best solution would be to obtain a .ORG domain or something in the .IN area. Does India have something like a .EDU.IN structure available?

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