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.tel domains
what's the consensus?
bill




msg:3805812
 5:37 am on Dec 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

I just stumbled across info about the .TEL Sunrise [telnic.org]. I perused some of the documentation and videos on the site and thought this could be a good idea. At least it isn't another re-purposed ccTLD.

I'll probably grab my company's trademarked names. That could be a good access point for customers.

The Individual side scares me. I wouldn't stick all my private contact information out there for just anyone to see. I don't think I ever want to be that publicly accessible.

How long until all this info is scraped and resold to those spy/stalker sites?

Will you be getting your own .tel?

 

bill




msg:3841739
 2:59 am on Feb 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

$375 for 3 years! Yikes!

Yeah. That's about what I'm seeing at my registrars as well. I opted to wait instead of shelling out $400+ during the Sunrise period. I'm not sure I'm that gung-ho to spend only slightly less during the Landrush. I think I'm going to wait for the general availability to open up on March 24.

WebWalla




msg:3841873
 8:46 am on Feb 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

At google of course:
[google.com...]
the number is at 611.

Add -telnic to your query and see what you come up with :-)

afaik




msg:3844314
 7:41 am on Feb 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

The -telnic won't tell you much since the pages being served are through their proxy interface, which has 'telnic' at the bottom of each page displayed. The names indexed by Google are probably handed out by telnic to their staff for demo, testing, etc.

The sunrise and landrush names aren't available for use I believe until March, when general regs open... there are certainly thousands of names registered so far, although some very nice generics still out there...

I couldn't resist registering some generic categories and cities with over a million population... could be a smart play - time will .tel

It seems that most domainers are passing over this tld because it doesn't allow for ppc type ads... overlooking other possible monetization avenues. Think mobile search... and possible SEO advantages.

I understand why folks get annoyed at having to shell out to protect their TM, but imho, if it's worth the cost to squatters, it must be worth it for the TM holder too in terms of traffic, visibility, image, etc. What I don't understand, is why companies just sit on their .mobi or .tel, or .whatever and don't put them to good use.

Furthermore, this tld may evolve, and Google may yet find a way to put txt ads on .tel pages (maybe even build their own .tel proxy platform (with telnic's blessing) to track clicks).

It seems silly that we still have to memorize numeric phone numbers; .tel could be the beginning of the end of that. Maybe telecoms will start assigning .tel addresses in the future, like bulk resellers. Anyways, this tld might yet surprise a lot of domainers, who for whatever reason don't think out of the .box

- that's afaik

internetheaven




msg:3844419
 2:11 pm on Feb 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

What am I missing? It would be cheaper to pay for a top listing in a Yellow pages or local phone directory -- we're already listed in both for free.

What are the advantages of the .tel directory? Is it pre-installed into every new phone or something?

afaik




msg:3845925
 9:41 pm on Feb 9, 2009 (gmt 0)

.tel provides a central mechanism for publicizing and controlling your own communication addresses, whether, phone, email, instant messaging, or website. The information is held by you, the domain owner, not by a company, such as yellow pages, and can be updated at any time, as opposed to yp only updating once a year.

The power of .tel depends on the extent to which it becomes a standard for communications. It could theoretically provide a domain name equivalent to phone numbers, in which you either enter the domain.tel into your phone, or simply click on a phone link within the mobile interface to dial... no need to remember phone numbers... similarly for your preferred email, instant messaging, even home page.

Although it is too early to prognosticate, there exists a possibility that telecoms could provide subscribers the option to register their .tel or receive a subrecord such as JohnDoe.corp.tel The corp.tel part would automatically be tagged on when you dial from within the telecom's own system. If you have a smart phone you could dial or email to the same .tel address.

A web or email listing is not free in yp, nor is text, of which you can have unlimited nuggets tagged on to the end of .tel sites for free (incl in your annual renewal fee). Additionally you don't need hosting or webdesign with .tel

afaik

dailypress




msg:3848238
 7:41 pm on Feb 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

So if we dont have control on our template and design and are limited on the information we put on the .tel page, SEO means nothing and therefore we only have to focus on the domain brand and getting enough backlinks. Am I correct?

afaik




msg:3849122
 10:24 pm on Feb 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

Agreed to a point... however, unlimited text records are allowed (see the telnic demo); although less is sometimes more, well chosen text could make a difference.

I suspect high pr backlinks and the domain name itself will matter most, including subdomains (eg. city.widgets.tel)

The key I believe is that search engines will appreciate the .tel record/subdomain formatting being enforced on .tel content.

- afaik

mattlane




msg:3854512
 5:35 am on Feb 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

Good description above, afaik. As someone that has bought into the idea, I find it a lot easier to talk about .TEL with friends and colleagues if I take the domain name pedigree out of the equation. In terms of its properties and benefits, it doesn't have a lot to do with traditional domain extensions. In my experience, people that have never owned a domain name or are "non-technical" tend to get it a lot quicker than technical people who first need to get over the domain name wall.

For myself, I'm looking for a simpler business card. It's easier to give someone my simple .tel than my cell, email and url (or ask them to transcribe my business card). It's also easier for me to key in someone's .tel and automatically import all their contact details - and know it will be automatically refreshed if they ever lose their cell phone, move, change primary e-mail or join a new business/social network.

Plus I get to control who sees my contact information, so perhaps a few less telemarketing calls and spam e-mail as a fringe benefit.

OK, I know I have a kool-aid smile, but if .tel delivers on the potential it seems to offer, itís going to make my life a little bit easier.

dailypress




msg:3870118
 2:50 am on Mar 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Add -telnic to your query and see what you come up with :-)

Google: site:.tel to see the list of .tel domains.

Then do a search on one of those names such as: carsten or gareth and see if the .tel shows up on the first page. The answer is NO.

dailypress




msg:3877761
 5:16 pm on Mar 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Just a reminder that General Availability opens at 15:00 GMT on 24 March 2009. And thats today! Good luck on your names!

bill




msg:3878114
 12:49 am on Mar 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'm glad I waited. I saved hundreds of dollars in land-rush fees and I got all my trademarks for $14.99 each.

Now the question is will anyone use them?

dailypress




msg:3878124
 1:13 am on Mar 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

$14.99?

I paid $35.00 for each name! + 9 dollar privacy fee. Which registrar did you use?

I just found other registrars offering way cheaper price! I will see if I can cancel and get my money back!

What a rip off!

dailypress




msg:3878183
 2:38 am on Mar 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

What do you recommend? Should I wait a year and then transfer the names to another registrar? Or should I deleted them and then buy back from another registrar in the normal 60 day deletion period assuming there wont be any backorders because its a new TLD?

I bought around 10 domains. They charged me (35+9privacy= 45) - (15+9=24) = 20 dollars more for each domain. Times ten = 200 dollars a year theyre ripping me off!

dailypress




msg:3878228
 4:23 am on Mar 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

Never mind on my previous post! I finally decided to keep it for a year, then transfer it over to another registrar. Several people told me its the safest way.

bill




msg:3878251
 5:00 am on Mar 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

I think the advice you got was good. ;)
You'd just risk losing the name(s) if you went the deletion route. Hopefully that registrar will give you good service. Sometimes the extra service and peace of mind are worth a few extra $•Ä.

HuskyPup




msg:3880082
 1:46 pm on Mar 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

Well, I've bought three names all applicable to my businesses but had to pay $14.00 each since, for some strange reason, my regular registrar's system wouldn't register them!

I've had a quick look at the configuration and it doesn't look like a 5 minute job however what would concern me as an individual is that posting a lot of the information could lead to a field day for fraudsters/identity thieves.

Who in their right mind is going to complete all those elements?

I'll keep mine to the minimum necessary and see how it goes from there and it will be interesting to see how/if our international visitors use it instead of the regular contact page.

bill




msg:3880541
 2:48 am on Mar 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

I got mine for a fairly large global corporation and the setup is turning of this domain is turning into a major project. We've got subsidiaries all over the world, and then there are subsidiaries of subsidiaries. Setting up all these folders is becoming an organizational nightmare.

When the inevitable changes come there is no way to edit folders/subdomains. Hopefully they'll address that.

The setup of private information is only one level deep and requires a subscription to a 3rd party service. That's simply not going to fly. I don't see how this is going to take off on the private side. It's fine for displaying public information.

dailypress




msg:3880994
 5:07 am on Mar 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

only time can .tel

[edited by: dailypress at 5:08 am (utc) on Mar. 29, 2009]

dailypress




msg:3880995
 5:07 am on Mar 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

Social network MySpace and British telecoms provider BT will be among the first companies to offer a new type of Web domain for their users to manage their contact details live online.
... etc ...
As well as MySpace and BT, Germany's iWelt -- a directory-services company with about 8 million customers, also announced a partnership with UK-based Telnic this week.

BT will initially offer .tel domains through its social networking site for small businesses, BT Tradespace. Telnic will receive a percentage of revenues from .tel domain names sold by its partners.

[reuters.com...]

HuskyPup




msg:3881375
 11:28 pm on Mar 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

Setting up all these folders is becoming an organizational nightmare.

I must concur!

Whomsoever wrote the .pdf destructions should have given them to someone else who had no idea of the intended set-up to try them out. The first level is easy enough then it turns into the "nightmare" from hell!

glowery




msg:3884472
 1:25 am on Apr 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

lll.tel's are going fast!

dailypress




msg:3884498
 2:34 am on Apr 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

tel's are going fast!
which source are you using? Do you have any data?
glowery




msg:3884578
 6:06 am on Apr 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yesterday there were 9,405 available.

[edited by: Webwork at 12:23 pm (utc) on April 3, 2009]
[edit reason] T.O.S. #24. [/edit]

Webwork




msg:3884759
 12:22 pm on Apr 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

3 letter .tels? Excitement?

Please don't infect people with the notion that there are magic formulas of domain speculation. 2 years ago people seized on the idea that 4 letter .com's were the next hot item and during the last 10+ months the bottom fell out of that speculation.

For some time 3 letter .com's were viewed as rare domain diamonds. For the past year I've watched those gems turn into baubles.

3 letter "dot anythings", including .tel, are far more likely trademark headaches than magic beans.

HuskyPup




msg:3884769
 12:41 pm on Apr 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

3 letter .tels? Excitement?

Precisely, infectious stuff this speculation:-)

I have configured a couple of my .tels and they look ok however there seems to be a major problem with creating folders and profiles and actually including the information.

If you want to see what I mean go to the most famous 3 letter domain .tel and you will see www links etc however when you "go to" sure it goes to a regional listing however everyone of those have hit the same problem as I have "The domain example.tel does not contain any records."

What are they, what am I, doing wrong?

Zamboni




msg:3886490
 4:54 pm on Apr 6, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'm wondering if I should buy all our competitors domains and send users to our websites and phone numbers. ;)

dailypress




msg:3888336
 7:21 pm on Apr 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'm wondering if I should buy all our competitors domains
I wouldnt bother with .tel
dailypress




msg:3888337
 7:21 pm on Apr 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

I just found out that I cant transfer any of the .tel domains. They said it may take 1-3 months before allowing transfer.

jmccormac




msg:3890064
 5:49 pm on Apr 10, 2009 (gmt 0)

The .tel is off to a typical post-domain bubble start. It had 63021 domains in the .tel zone as of 01/April/2009 but had over 100K domains registered. The .tel requires that the registrant creates the record for their .tel domain and the only nameservers listed are those of .tel registry. In this respect it lessens the impact of dead and non-configured domains in that only active domains appear in the zone file. The number of .tel domains registered is higher than the number of domains in the zone file.

I can see the logical argument for .tel and it is a potentially simple solution to providing a single point of entry for a company's website, phone number, physical address etc. The problem for domainers is in monetising their .tel domains. It is not a conventional extension that lends itself easily to monetisation. As a result some of the more experienced domainers may be ignoring the extension.

Regards...jmcc

dailypress




msg:3892438
 9:14 pm on Apr 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

The problem for domainers is in monetising their .tel domains.
TELNIC may add more features in the future like allowing owners to put ads! ? You never know.

You can always add links to your websites with ads to monetize.

I think the best use is to put the domain on your business card.

Im not sure what you mean by ZONE FILE ?

jmccormac




msg:3892661
 5:17 am on Apr 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

The zone file is the main file of domain names and their nameservers. I use the com/net/org/biz/info/mobi/asia/tel zone files to generate hoster stats and domain stats.

Regards...jmcc

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