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Afilias Proposal to Release Premier "Old Sunrise" Domains That Were Wrongfully Claimed as TM Domains
Propose a website that would enhance public perception of .info and get a domain
gpmgroup

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 8:33 pm on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Afilias have just submitted an application for a New Registry Service, to be allowed to allocate domains to qualified people who will enhance the .INFO brand.

[icann.org...]

The names have been held by the registry since 2001 when some sunrise applicants applied for names without being able to provide the necessary proof of Trademarks.

 

Webwork

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 8:48 pm on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

$500 Request for Proposal (RFP) non-refundable fee to be charged for those who wish to be "granted" the domain vs. having to bid at an auction for the domain?

I'll pass on the RFP + fee. If they arranged for a lesser fee, with a "show us what you got" analysis, show us what you are going to do AND a limited time to execute I might consider it.

Otherwise, it's just a domain. Nice but development is already enough of a PITA without having to satisfy the registry gods. :p

gpmgroup

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 9:12 pm on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

It just seems that the members of Webmasterworld have a huge advantage with their skill set. And this may provide a unique opportunity for some. There are likely to be some really nice domains in the list for example a similar .mobi made $200,000 at auction :)

Webwork

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 9:40 pm on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yes, it IS a talented bunch, but I'll be surprised if THIS is the bunch that takes a liking to paying $500. just for the chance to secure a domain.

IF Afilias's mission is to build the credibility of the .info gTLD, and not to profit from the belated re-sales, then why not hold a public design contest?

Let people host their version of what the root domain would look like, if they controlled it, giving each contestant a sub-domain on a VPS (with all the bells and whistles) and let the best design win after the site has been up and active for 90+/- days . . no fee required?

IF Afilias made it a real Web2.0+ design contest it might gain both buzz, more entrants, and better examples.

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 9:51 pm on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Let me get this straight ...

They are inviting bright folk to pay $500.00 for a domain worth $5.00, that they could pick up on eBay for $15.00 ... all for the privilege of creating a new clean image for .info?

Now there's a bargain!

I can envision the lines around the block for such an opportunity.

What next? Michael Jackson concert tickets for $1000.00?

gpmgroup

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 10:13 pm on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

They are inviting bright folk to pay $500.00 for a domain worth $5.00, that they could pick up on eBay for $15.00
Such cynicism for one so young.

Many of the names likely to be on that list would fetch at least $5,000 - $20,000 if auctioned where domainers can buy them. If a webmaster then wanted to buy it from a domainer the price would be much much higher.

It's a unique opportunity to acquire domains with clean definitive branding at a very reasonable price

gpmgroup

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 10:19 pm on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

IF Afilias's mission is to build the credibility of the .info gTLD, and not to profit from the belated re-sales, then why not hold a public design contest?

There have been several public design contests in the past.

I don't think Afilias is looking for direct monetary gain from RFP or any Auction proceeds as the proposal indicates all revenue generated will be used to offset registrar registration costs and be revenue neutral.

It seems to me to be a great way and the fairest way to bring into use some of the .info prime real estate.

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 10:46 pm on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Such cynicism for one so young.

Many of the names likely to be on that list would fetch at least $5,000 - $20,000 if auctioned where domainers can buy them. If a webmaster then wanted to buy it from a domainer the price would be much much higher.

1. Not so young, sadly.

2. Name one commercial .info worth more than $26.00

3. How much are they paying you to keep a straight face?

I don't think Afilias is looking for direct monetary gain

4. Yeah, right.

And that doesn't make me a cynic, it merely proves I have an IQ above 3.2

direct monetary gain

5. So they'll be happy with indirect monetary gain? Sweet!

Seriously, you may knock me for being a cynic, but just tell me how anyone can take this seriously. It's one more in a long line of domain sellers' schemes to get money from newbies who know no better.

Opportunity? Opportunity to waste $500.00. Period.

gpmgroup

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 11:40 pm on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

1. Time flies when you're having fun
2. Manucure.info sold for $46,000 last month
3. Nothing perhaps I'm naive - I thought/think it looks like an usually good opportunity for some
4. I said direct monetary gain as the proposal says revenue neutral for the registry.
5. Clearly if they get some serious development and that lifts the profile of .info/Afilias they will benefit indirectly.

There are some really nice domain names which have been tied up/non resolving for years and if they can be released in the most equitable manner this has to be a good thing.

In the current scheme of things whenever names drop in any extension most of them get scooped up by the same handful of players. This proposal seems to offer a way to ensure that the names end up with a wider group of people some of whom will develop rather than just sitting on them until they can sell on.

[edited by: Webwork at 3:09 pm (utc) on Aug. 30, 2008]
[edit reason] It really IS manUcure.info! Sorry gpmgroup. I got sucked in by a snarky commennt. [/edit]

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 11:49 pm on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Good Luck! :)

Webwork

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 7:08 pm on Aug 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

Oh my! We've landed on the homepage! We'll, I'll suggest that it's for good reason, because it's a novel and fascinating proposal.

What do you think about allocating "premium domains" based upon a "creative competition"?

Would granting these domains, based upon a creative competition, wash away some of the "stain of .info"?

IF you take the time - about 3-5 minutes - to scan/read the .pdf (linked above) and examine how Afilias explains their procedure do you think you could improve upon the "grant domain by RFP" process?

Wouldn't it rock to see premium domains assigned based not upon "who can pay the most" (at auction) but based upon vision, creativity, etc.?

Could Afilias turn things around for .info if they REALLY get their game on with this next distribution of "premium info" domains?

Tell 'em how.

This is a good time for folks who have been putting the "bad rap" on domainers to step up, support Afilias's idea . . and improve upon it.

[edited by: Webwork at 7:12 pm (utc) on Aug. 29, 2008]

jcoronella

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 7:21 pm on Aug 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

Is there anything different between a .info domain and a .cn with english language 'text' on it?

Both are spam junk, and everyone knows it. Go sell your crap to someone else.

My mom won't even click on a .info domain.

I'd rather own a .mobi --- but barely

goodroi

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 8:21 pm on Aug 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

did no one actually read the document?

afilias is talking about the 50k domains that were submitted during the sunrise period (aka protect your trademark early bird special). of the 50k they rejected 20k of those sunrise applications. most of the 20k were already put back into circulation. we are only talking about a few thousand.

they are proposing a 3 phase process. phase 1 - if you have a great idea and want to jump to the front of the line pay $500 and they will consider it. phase 2 - auction the domains off. phase 3 - dump any domains that didn't sell into the standard domain pool.

i dont see anything bad here. if you do have a good idea then paying $500 might be a bargain since you would avoid the auction. at the same time just maybe (and that is a big maybe) .info might get some really good domains to help its reputation. lets remember that not all .info domains are worthless. mta.info provides the mass transit info for nyc area and is google TBPR 8. it is possible that you might find a rare diamond in the rough.

Webwork

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 8:31 pm on Aug 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

jcoronella - Whew! Hurricane force, eh? ;)

goodroi - Might just be a good ROI, without a huge effort. What I'd like to see is the actual list.

What I'd really like to see is Afilias lower the financial bar even further, for say 10-20 top domains, go for a contest of building a "proposed site" on a sub-domain, create a decent method of voting (100 design students vote + Matt Cutts / SugarRae / BT / Danny S. + or ?), and then simply award the domains to the winners and include a year of free hosting on condition that the actual website goes live and is maintained.

THAT might create some buzz, interest and validation for .info as a gTLD platform "as good as any other".

In the interest of "livening things up" a bit I just took a chance, contacted Ms. Desiree Miloshevic of Afilias by email, and invited her to engage in this dialogue.

How Web2.0 socially engaging would that be, for a registry to wade right into the conversation about their gTLD and say . . "You know . . something like that might be . . . "

Of course, I think I managed to spell her last name wrong in the body of the email so . . blame it on me if she doesn't respond. :-/

[edited by: Webwork at 8:43 pm (utc) on Aug. 29, 2008]

AhmedF

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 2:52 am on Aug 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

So where is the list of the actual domains?

maximillianos

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 12:07 pm on Aug 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

This simply weeds out all the little folks so the domains end up going to all the folks who would normally get them any way, the folks with deeper pockets and a extra $500 they can GAMBLE away.

You would have much better odds taking your $500 and going Vegas.

If they want to open the door for the best idea, don't weed out over half the webmaster population that can't afford to gamble away $500 in diaper money to get another domain company rich.

One last point. From the PDF document:

With respect to domain names for which no RFP responses have been received, or for
which no suitable or clearly preferred proposal was received
, Afilias would make all or a
subset (as determined by Afilias) of such domain names available for purchase by
auction.

What makes Afilias qualified to decide what a suitable proposal is? Why should I trust you with my $500 and my "great" idea... when you have the domain name still? What's to stop some employee from snatching my proposed idea and the name I want... I would hope this company would be signing a NDA with everyone at the company involved and with the webmasters.

No thanks. I'll save my money and my ideas (which they should be paying US for!).

pageoneresults

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 3:53 pm on Aug 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

You couldn't give me a .info domain let alone get me to pay for something related to that TLD space. What a failed TLD that was, and is, and will most likely continue to be. When a SE like Google makes a mistake and wipes out a bunch of .info TLDs, that tells me that something ain't right. And, that whole TLD is mostly garbage. It was a bargain shoppers way of getting some keyword domains that probably didn't do jack for them.

Yes I know, there are always exceptions to the rule. When it comes to the .info TLD, those exceptions are few and far between. I mean, they gave them away for free at one time. For each .com I registered, I got the .info version for free if it was available. And guess what? I think all the .info's were available at the time. Never renewed a single one of them, not a one.

Webwork

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 6:03 pm on Aug 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

All true. All backwards looking. To me, the re-release of the sunrise domains could be their last best chance to build trust, credibility, affinity and momentum. They need to do something BIG and WISE and PRO-Developers.

The question I have is has Afilias learned anything from it's experiments with free or $.99 domain registrations? (Probably should have know going into the give-away what was going to happen, so did that decision indicate indifference or greed or need?)

There's slight chance that they can re-claim some credibility IF they stop the nonsense of giving away domains, in bulk.

But maybe - IF Afilias IS REALLY interested in re-branding - NOW would be a good time to GIVE AWAY some top flight domains in a bona fide development contest context?

Maybe they can give away 20-50 prime .info domains, every 3-4 months, based upon a context and actual development requirements.

THAT, to my way of thinking, would be the way to go IF they actually have an interested in re-claiming - OR establishing for the first time - a degree of credibility for the gTLD.

That said, I'm waiting to hear (read) from someone at Afilias that they actually have their social media, Web2.0, buzzmarketing, do a little good thinking caps on.

The $500 RFP program just isn't evolved enough for my liking. I think it won't accomplish much of anything of momentum or cred.

YO! AFILIAS! ARE YOU "ENGAGING THE AUDIENCE"? Someone social media type please explain that to Afilias, please.

[edited by: Webwork at 2:33 am (utc) on Aug. 31, 2008]

AhmedF

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 6:16 pm on Aug 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

I like it. Smart. Weed out the serious developers from the time-wasters.

If $500 is too expensive for you for a premium generic (admittedly I need to see the list first) then really need to stop whining.

maximillianos

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 9:59 pm on Aug 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

It is $500 for a "chance" to maybe get a domain. You are basically gambling.

It is not a question of affordability really, but more of a poorly designed game on their part.

Like I said before, I'll take my $500 to Vegas and have better odds than his game. But you go ahead and enter the raffle. Tell us how it goes. ;-)

AhmedF

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 11:09 pm on Aug 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

If you really think that Vegas has better odds I have a bridge to sell

maximillianos

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 12:53 am on Aug 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

If you really think that Vegas has better odds I have a bridge to sell

Seriously? Blackjack is 50/50 odds. Playing red/black on a roulette table is 50/50 odds.

Do you think you have a 50% chance of getting your .info for $500? That would mean only two people were going after the name you want.

I would guess there is going to be more than 2 people if the domain name is worth anything.. ;-)

AhmedF

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 4:28 am on Aug 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

If the sample domains I have seen are right, these are domains worth $20k+

So a $500 RFP that lands a $20k+ domain in your lap.

amznVibe

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 6:45 am on Aug 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

.info is the lowest value of the all the gTLDs

It's been ruined by the super heavy discounts and the millions of free .info domains that enom decided to register on behalf of .com owners a few years ago.

There's virtually nothing they can do to bring back it's value.

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 8:26 am on Aug 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

If you really think that Vegas has better odds I have a bridge to sell

I think I already paid for that bridge, and you charged my credit card twice :)

maximillianos

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 1:17 pm on Aug 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

The biggest problem is the fact that they are asking us to spend $500 on the whim that they choose our idea.

So not only are we competing with the, say 100, other folks that submit an idea for that domain, but then we have to have the best idea... but not even the best idea... just the best idea in THEIR eyes.

My guess is your $500 is going to get you landed in an auction where the domain ends up selling for a lot more and your investment gets you zero return... Unless of course you want to spend 10k-20k in the auction to get it...

It is win-win situation for Afilias... and I bet if this goes live, there will be more "auctions" for the good names that are worth anything than there will be folks snagging a domain for $500...

gpmgroup

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 2:30 pm on Aug 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

info is the lowest value of the all the gTLDs

How come?

Of the newer gTLDs it has the most registrations and the most web pages.

You would be surprised at the amount of development in .info already.

For example the most successful registrar in the world with over 30,000,000 domains registered owns both the .com and the .info for one of their information sites and the .com redirects to the .info.

Not everything has to be a hard sell.

Of all the new gTLDs .info has the most registrations and the most crawlable web pages and the most indexed web sites.

So why do you think there is no value in building sites in .info?

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 3:52 pm on Aug 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

Unless you have a 'local' need, there's really not a lot of point in using anything but .com is there?

I'd always buy the .net, and maybe the .org, where rival action might be an issue.

But, for whatever reason, good or bad, .info has a bad name. Really!.

And it's not my problem; why would I invite problems by buying a domain that many people - many, many people - would assume was a scam site? Yes, we know there are exceptions, but so what?

This company does NOT have some altruistic desire to rehabilitate the reputation of .info; they have a simple desire to sell domain names to people who can be persuaded that the tld can be rehabilitated.

Good Luck to them. I notice it's not their money at risk.

Unless I had a cr*p ebook to sell, why would I pay to launch a .info, when - for pretty much the same outlay over a couple of years - I could do the same with a .com?

If you are fishing for newbies, I think you have chosen the wrong forum :)

AhmedF

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 4:32 pm on Aug 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

Same outlay for a couple of years?

Lets say you do a proposal for USA.info and get it for $500.

The owner of USA.com would never sell that domain for under $250k. I don't know what magical outlay of a couple years you are speaking of.

maximillianos

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Msg#: 3733841 posted 5:41 pm on Aug 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

Lets say you do a proposal for USA.info and get it for $500.

Let's be realistic... do you think you will get USA.info for $500? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you... ;-)

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