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Extended redemption period? Games?
Registry expiration = Registration expiration + 1 year
jtara

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Msg#: 3593913 posted 9:50 am on Mar 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

I went to check on a domain name I've wanted for a while for a hobby site. I'd previously run a site with that "name" but not that domain name. (That is, the site was known as "The <widget>", but was on a completely different domain name.

The site became popular, other people registered <widget>.com, <widget>.net, <widget>.org. I should have registered them long ago, before the site became popular...

I sold the (non-widget) domain (a 4-letter .net) a couple of years ago.

Now I want to start the site up again.

I see that the .net and .org dropped, so I immediately registered them. The .org is the one I really wanted - but I'd still like to have the .com to redirect to the .org.

The .com shows as expired 26-Jan-2008. Shouldn't it be out of redemption and dropped by now? I thought redemption was 30 days, and then another 5 days grace after that? But I've also seen mention of a "30-90 day" redemption period.

But here's the odd thing - the REGISTRY (internic.net) Whois is showing an expiration date of 26-Jan-2009!

The registrant is shown as "Pending Renewal or Deletion".

Further, there is a proxy notice on the registrar WHOIS. So, it's unclear who really has the domain registered, if it is registered.

Is there no such thing as actual deletion any more?

OK, it gets worse - when I navigate to the site I get a parking page, along with a "this domain is expired, click here to renew:. Click there, and you get a page for what looks like an ISP, but maybe not. If I enable popups, I get another popup that maximizes to full-screen and then tries to install an ActiveX control. Nope, I'm not THAT brave!

Is this how a registration looks while it's being tasted? Should I just wait 5 days?

 

Laker

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Msg#: 3593913 posted 2:54 pm on Mar 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

But here's the odd thing - the REGISTRY (internic.net) Whois is showing an expiration date of 26-Jan-2009!

Many registrars "automatically" assign a +1-year expiration date to an expired domain name. This is done, IMNHO, to confuse the innocents.

Usually/many times, there are two expiration dates listed in a whois record -- the one nearest the top of the record shows the "plus 1-year" date, and the expiration date closest to the bottom of the record shows the "real" expiration date.

The .com shows as expired 26-Jan-2008. Shouldn't it be out of redemption and dropped by now? I thought redemption was 30 days, and then another 5 days grace after that? But I've also seen mention of a "30-90 day" redemption period.

Different registrars have varying amounts of time they "hold" a domain until it goes into the formal redemption period. These vary from as as few as 8 days, to 40 days (that I have seen).

Assuming a 40-day "hold" period, add another 30 days for the redemption period, and you're at 70 days. Pending/delete is another 5 days, and the domain actually drops on the following (sixth) day. So, in that example, that drop date would be 76 days after the true expiration date: Friday, April 11, 2008.

That said, many/most registrars are moving their expired domains to secondary market backorder/auction sites prior to having them enter redemption. There are very, very few that still have a 40-day hold period, AFAIK.

Greed? Of course not :-

Webwork

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Msg#: 3593913 posted 1:52 pm on Mar 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

Laker nicely covers the issues.

The "hold" period was popular for a time before registrars starting joining in the aftermarket domain auction game. Now it's expiration date - hold (redemption?) -> park whilst "post expiration date" (on the rationale that the 'continuation' of the domain's existence is 'on the registrar's dime (they incur a small refundable charge pending renewal or delete; of course, if the domain is renewed they don't offer to refund the parking income = see class action lawsuit to come) -> delete OR to auction OR simply kept for parking income.

Deletes are increasingly rare.

What's interesting in your case is that the registrar is one who is clearly associated with the aftermarket game. I wouldn't get my hopes up. Still, sometimes a glitch allows a domain to escape the many new "domain snares".

Insomniak

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Msg#: 3593913 posted 8:47 am on Mar 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

Chances of catching decent domains at drop is very rare these days, if you really want it u need to pay a drop catcher or rick losing your chance.

jtara

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Msg#: 3593913 posted 7:24 am on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

I was able to register this domain this evening through my normal registrar - apx. 90 days after the official expiration.

I received an email about a week ago offering to sell me the domain for apx. $450. (I already had the .net,.org registered, and the email arrived at the .net's contact address.)

I had to click on a link to discover the price. I was reluctant to do so, but of course my curiosity got the best of me. I only clicked once and never went back to the site.

The email claimed that the sender had bought the domain at auction, was willing to sell it to me, but that they "had other plans" if I did not accept their offer.

I was tempted to offer $300, on the contingency that the transfer be handled through escrow.com and the name be transferred to my registrar. But I held off.

A few days later, I received a "discount" offer for $250.

Again, I was tempted to offer to buy it on the same contingency. But I held off again. I was starting to suspect that the domain would just drop.

I checked this evening, and it had finally dropped.

I wound-up paying about $7.50 through my normal registrar.

While there are some curious scammy games going on, you can still sometimes get the name you want for just a registration fee if you are patient!

bwnbwn

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Msg#: 3593913 posted 9:33 am on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

jtara Good for you.

HuskyPup



 
Msg#: 3593913 posted 3:19 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

I wound-up paying about $7.50 through my normal registrar.

Excellent news, I'm intrigued as to the name? :-))

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