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google prefers .com , .net ,.org over .biz?
does google those 2 extensions over .biz
Animated

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Msg#: 3546311 posted 2:39 am on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

i know they are for different types of domains for different matterss but in the SERP's i see sometimes some .orgs in the top ten but almost never a .biz.

 

leadegroot

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Msg#: 3546311 posted 10:11 am on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

My untested opinion is: its not that the search engines have a preference for .com domains, its more the compounding effect of -
1. experienced web masters will a prefer .com domains, so the majority of the 'better' sites are on .com sites
2. most people have a prejudice against .biz domains, so they are less likely to link to a .biz site.

Put these together and you find a site that the search engines don't like as much. Its not because its on a .biz, its more a side effect.

I might be wrong, but thats my gut instinct.

gpmgroup

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Msg#: 3546311 posted 11:08 am on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Google reps inc. Matt Cutts have said several times that they do not weight for or against gTLDs

[google.com...]

.org
.de
.de
.info
.gov
.com
.com
.org
.com

[google.com...]

.org
.info
.org
.gov
.com
.com
.org
.gov
.org

gpmgroup

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Msg#: 3546311 posted 11:43 am on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

.biz example

[google.com...]

.biz
.biz
.org
.com
.com
.com
.biz
.com
.com

PaulHudson

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3546311 posted 12:11 pm on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

If .co.uk ranks well on google.co.uk and .com well on google.com

How would you expect .biz or .org TLD's to rank.

Would google use the server IP to locate the country and then rank on UK and US accordingly?

If so, would a .co.uk rank higher than a .org on google.co.uk if all other factors were the same?

Paul

centime

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3546311 posted 1:12 pm on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

generally, methinks for the UK, a .co.uk domain is essential,

Nowadays when i am guessing the name of a site, I invariable type in .co.uk, and assume the .com is the USA version

I am thinking a lot of folk do the same,

Mind you .coms remain popular, but for most searches i do, .co.uk domains dominate

i've got a few .biz and .infos, .orgs and its a bit hard to tell how geolocation works for or against them

maximillianos

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Msg#: 3546311 posted 2:00 pm on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

1. experienced web masters will a prefer .com domains, so the majority of the 'better' sites are on .com sites
2. most people have a prejudice against .biz domains, so they are less likely to link to a .biz site.

Leadegroot hit the nail on the head in my opinion. Matt Cutts also has said something similar in regards .edu/.gov links not having any more weight than other TLD's, but they do collect a lot of PR since they usually have good content.

chetan

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Msg#: 3546311 posted 4:11 pm on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

[youtube.com...]

.Com's are preferred over .info and others

.co.UK and other regional sites are treated in the context of regional searches.

[edited by: Webwork at 10:38 pm (utc) on Jan. 12, 2008]
[edit reason] Preference for Matt's home team video host [/edit]

gpmgroup

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Msg#: 3546311 posted 5:50 pm on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

.Com's are preferred over .info and others

Didn't see anything in the video about .com being preferred over .info

walkman



 
Msg#: 3546311 posted 7:36 pm on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

generally, methinks for the UK, a .co.uk domain is essential,
Nowadays when i am guessing the name of a site, I invariable type in .co.uk, and assume the .com is the USA version

I am thinking a lot of folk do the same,

Mind you .coms remain popular, but for most searches i do, .co.uk domains dominate

The problem is that English is spoken in BOTH countries so if the widget is specific to the country, say hotels, then there is an issue.
But if German is spoken only in Germany and bddygdygdygtdydwgdwgdwgd.com is that word, then I doubt it matters much as "normal" people might not notice the .tld as much as we do.
For example, Etrade has the uk.etrade.com and so on for most countries. Frankly it conveys the same message as far as being local.

My guess is that people have been burned by clicking on .coms only to find info about Nebraska when they wanted UK info :) but on searches for a disease or supernovas it matters not IMO

nomis5

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Msg#: 3546311 posted 9:17 pm on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Chetan, I can't see / hear anything in the video either about .com being better than any other dot whatever. What gave you the impression that Google prefers .com? Money is at stake!

pageoneresults

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Msg#: 3546311 posted 10:47 pm on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

My untested opinion is: its not that the search engines have a preference for .com domains, its more the compounding effect of...

The .com's are taken. The .net's are taken. The .org's are taken. What's left? .biz, .info, etc.

If you are launching a .biz and there are already .com's, .net's, .org's, you're up against existing competition. Also, if you got your .biz because the others were taken, there's a good chance you are in direct competition with one of the other TLDs. Not to mention potential litigation issues.

Personally, I've seen way too much abuse in those obscure TLDs and so have the search engines. It's only natural that they don't perform as well as their senior counterparts. ;)

Webwork

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Msg#: 3546311 posted 10:48 pm on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's not in the video. The closest I can recall Mr. Cutts ever coming to a statement indicative of a preference for a gTLD is his observation of "the obvious", that is - at least on the international playing field - that most people will logically default to searching for a .Com website, especially when looking for a website by direct navigation. That's simply a restatement of a fairly well known fact.

I've never heard him state, nor would I expect to hear him state, that there is a gTLD bias lifting .Com websites in Google's search algos or filters.

gpmgroup

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Msg#: 3546311 posted 11:20 pm on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Most bleed occurs within a gTLD.

for example : If there is a site a very popular abc-widgets.info site

As well as typing in abc-widgets.info in to the address bar. People will type in
widgets.info
widget.info
abc-widget.info
abcwidgets.info
abcwidget.info

rather than

abc-widgets.info.com
abc-widgets.com

rather than

widgets.org
or abc-widgets.org

The exact order depends on the word(s) making up the domain. jacket & jackets would be different from something that comes in pairs like trousers or has different widespread meaning like apple or apples etc.

In this example abc-widgets.com will overtime get some traffic courtesy of abc-widgets.info but it really is infinitesimal.

Sure it might make a parking page a few $'s income a year (ok for a domainer with hundreds of other domainns collecting $'s here $'s there) but in terms of traffic / lost customers for any developed / decent site the loss is negligible. It is far easier to loose customers in other ways through poor navigation / bad copy / wrong colours / too slow to load etc.

If your worried about loosing out to the .com all you need to do is brand on widgets.info rather than widgets. Even make the .info a different colour so it stands out.

iblaine

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3546311 posted 1:17 am on Jan 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

Google may not have an official pecking order for domains however the bias is probably inherent in the system. Surely people prefer .com domains, are more likely to build out & link to .com sites and the result is anything not .com is weighted less.

Animated

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3546311 posted 3:04 am on Jan 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

people typing in some TLD for a certain niche who will be the 'type in' traffic like if they type '#*$!' instead of redwidgets.info' if they search for red widgets, i wouldn't rely on it anyways i rather count in more on the SE's traffic from the organic searches,thats why i was wondering if the search engines would rank a .com over a .biz if its one of the many issues that google considers for its algorithm ranking,despite the content and the links.

Kufu

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3546311 posted 5:05 pm on Jan 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

Whether it is algorithmic or due to unobserved occurances/practices by webmasters etc .com domains rank better (everything else being equal) in Google for their exact keyword matches (e.g. www.bluewidget.com has a better chance of ranking for the term 'blue widget').

jcoronella

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3546311 posted 6:08 pm on Jan 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

Machine learning doesn't discriminate, or know what is fair.

I would guess if you looked at correlations alone, you would find a higher hit rate of low quality sites on .info, .biz, .us.com, highly hyphenated domains, etc.

Of course, that's just a guess - feel free to join any club you wish, but I'll stick with .com, .net and .org in that order. Pretty much any tld that offers $1 a domain specials is going to be filled with junk.

There, I've restated it too

walkman



 
Msg#: 3546311 posted 8:39 pm on Jan 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

The bias thing is true as well. .com rules, they are rarer /expensive and whoever has a good name, either got it long time ago (signifies old site or a pro at this) or paid a lot of money ($$ commitment "so the site must be good").

From the linker's point of view, if they are writting about widgets, enough of them would rather link to widgets.com even if widgets.cc is probably better.
In the end it all ads up...

gpmgroup

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3546311 posted 10:27 pm on Jan 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

There are enough myths out there w/o respected members creating myths from anecdotes. :)

There are good people using .com there are naughty people using .com
There are good people using .biz there are naughty people using .biz
There are good people using .info there are naughty people using .info

TLD is not a good indicator of intent.

Some members here "feel" .info and .biz are used more often than not for spamming. So lets look at an actual example - Looking at sites linked to in spams over the last 24 hours for example by tld

The top 100 by volume

94 .com's
5 .cn's
1 .tw's

With regards sample size the top spammer had 1344 spams referencing the .com domain. Incidentally the .com's had a clean sweep of the top 24 most frequently used domains. So people who own .com are more likely to spam?


With regards to quality of a domain being better because itís more expensive that doesnít hold true either. There are plenty of very expensive .com generics traded for six figures that simply point to a page(s) of adverts.

Often the owners are not looking to build a PPC business, but rather to sell it to an existing business or simply flip it for a profit to another speculator.

There are many webmasters who would rather invest their money into building the perfect site than paying a ďdomainerĒ for the prefect brand.

And finally :)

Who in their right mind would think Iím not linking to that site because itís in a different TLD? Anyone with a passion about their site links to the best resources for their viewers.

centime

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3546311 posted 11:25 pm on Jan 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

nicely put, perhaps we'll convince the .com crowd someday,

probably no today tho :)

adder

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3546311 posted 12:53 pm on Jan 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

I have a site on .in domain. It is hosted in USA and has nothing to do with India, yet it ranks high on google.co.in and has a decent traffic from India - so, judge for yourselves!

I do not believe that google doesn't alter the position according to the TLD. It doesn't make a lot of impact, but the TLD still matters!

Osagie Irowa

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3546311 posted 10:24 pm on Jan 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

Whether .com or .info, the popularity of the site is what really counts. I have seen many .info sites outranking .com websites. However, when in the Domain Sales business, .com rules! regards, osagie irowa

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