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want to buy domain, but owner uses privacy service
jbroder




msg:3497119
 9:53 pm on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I want to buy a certain domain. The domain spells the name of a person who has asked me to try to buy the domain.

When I check whois, I get this:

Registrant Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent (nxhcqsypq@whoisprivacyprotect.com)
+1.4252740657
Fax: +1.4256960234
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
C/O example.com
Bellevue, WA 98007
US

So, how do I approach this person?

Do I contact Whois Pricacy Protection Service?

Will using a domain negotiating service help in this situation? Do they have any special info? (btw...Does using a negotiation service help in general)?

Any experience/advice would be most appreciated.

thanks!

Jon

 

draggar




msg:3497147
 10:27 pm on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Usually the registrar has a contact email forward, it may be something like:

www.example.com@registrar.com

Stored in the WhoIs result.

This email is automatically (and blindly to the sender) sent to your registration email.

(the receiver then can easily set up an email at that domain to reply).

Laker




msg:3497220
 12:03 am on Nov 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

Do I contact Whois Pricacy Protection Service?

You may want to look at the registrar's site, and read about their particular whois privacy protection, to see what types of communication are forwarded/accepted.

Some privacy protection schemes forward all "valid" email to the registrant (they change the email in the whois contact frequently); others will only forward Registered mail, or Express Mail, etc., to the registrant.

Or, of course, you could call the Registrar and ask them.

(btw...Does using a negotiation service help in general)?

What's the status of the domain now? Parked? active, ad-sense on it? auction site? There aren't any hard-and-fast rules (that I know of ;-) about using a negotiation service, but knowing a little more about the domain, it's use, history, etc., may allow fuller answers to your question.

[edited by: Laker at 12:10 am (utc) on Nov. 6, 2007]

jbroder




msg:3497304
 1:43 am on Nov 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

Laker,
It looks parked, but it is a sophisticated setup:

domain home page has a pic of a pretty girl, says "welcome to example.com" and a set of links:

car insurance
debt consolidation
online dating
etc.

and those point to pages with adwords on them, and more links to more topic pages, with more adwords.

It looks like they probably have a bunch of "personname.com" sites pointing to this page, which just changes the domain name in the welcome header to match whatever domain name.

What do you think this means?

jon

jbroder




msg:3497305
 1:43 am on Nov 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

btw, how do you do quotes on this message board?

gpmgroup




msg:3497313
 1:59 am on Nov 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

{quote}My text in here{/quote} but you need to use square brackets instead of squiggly ones

My text in here

Hunter




msg:3497331
 2:37 am on Nov 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

What do you think this means?

sounds like it's just parked, the nameservers should tell which parking co...

[edited by: Hunter at 2:37 am (utc) on Nov. 6, 2007]

vincevincevince




msg:3497518
 9:22 am on Nov 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

ICANN require registrars [icann.org] who are aware that information in the WHOIS is invalid to correct it. So; file the complaint [wdprs.internic.net] and get the owner to put in WHOIS details which reflect the true registrant not a third party acting as a registrar-by-proxy.

Laker




msg:3498101
 8:20 pm on Nov 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

ICANN require registrars who are aware that information in the WHOIS is invalid to correct it. So; file the complaint

I don't know that "Private a/k/a Proxy Registrations" violate the ICANN requirements on accurate whois information.

I'm not saying it does or doesn't ... just that this seems to be a moving target when it comes to ICANN.

Is the actual contact information within a private registration "inaccurate"? ... I see no clear answer on that so far.

Then, as an aside, there's Godaddy's US patent (no. 7,130,878) ... the abstract of which begins: "a system and method of proxy domain name registration permits a would-be domain name registrant anonymity."

Personally, I wouldn't look to ICANT to offer any relief on this.

oziman




msg:3498968
 7:17 pm on Nov 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

ICANN require registrars who are aware that information in the WHOIS is invalid to correct it. So; file the complaint and get the owner to put in WHOIS details which reflect the true registrant not a third party acting as a registrar-by-proxy.

Proxy information is perfectly valid from an ICANN point of view. There are more then a few WIPO decisions on UDRP that reference respondent as behind a proxy wall, and they didn't seem to take issue with it.

I've used that system before and can't say anything ever came of it.

To get in touch with the owner, here are some other ways:
There is a certain site (I don't know if I can mention it here, but it's a well known site within the domaining community) that let's you see the Whois History for a domain - so sometimes you can see accurate whois information before privacy service was purchased.

Research,Research,Research - name servers, ips, whois for the ip, whois for the sub network of the ip, what other domains are on that ip, google the domain name itself and see who has sold it when...

Think outside the box :-)

Can you tell I've done this before?;-)

jbroder




msg:3500900
 6:48 pm on Nov 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks for all the great responses.

I don't have a whole lot time to put into this, so I am considering using a proxy service to look into it for me.

Does anybody have any experience with <the various drop catching services>?

<Are some> a waste of money?

Jon

[edited by: Webwork at 6:59 pm (utc) on Nov. 9, 2007]
[edit reason] To limit forum spam we avoid thread-voting for or against specific service providers [/edit]

Webwork




msg:3500911
 7:03 pm on Nov 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hello jbroder and welcome to the Domain Forum. Sorry about the edit. Check out the Charter [webmasterworld.com] when you get a chance.

The best course of action is to determine which drop catching service controls the domain name transition form expiration to auction. Different domain registrars have contractual deals with different drop-auction services.

Desirable "domains in the wild" are rare and everyone gets an equal shot at those domains, so the best (only?) strategy to follow to lay claim to a desirable domain is to use most, if not all, of the drop catchers.

Sorry to advise but we're not going to get into voting about which drop catcher "does it better". Even if there was one doing it better today that would be subject to change tomorrow, depending on a number of factors, including the number of registry threads the catcher was willing or able to open at the drop time, the sophistication of their software/hardware, etc. I've seen success in chasing .Org domains shift from one to another to another of the drop catchers and I expect this pattern to continue so long as there is an economic advantage to dedicating the resources.

Frankly, I think the best strategy remains the one I articulated several years ago: Pick up the phone and call the registrant of the expiring domain - if the domain is worth the trouble. And, yes, there are some that shudder at the idea of "tipping them off". FWIW, tipping them off was never a problem for me. I either eliminated the competition by negotiating a fair price, sometimes $50 or nothing, or I did someone a favor - or simply learned that they intended to renew it in due course anyway.

[edited by: Webwork at 7:10 pm (utc) on Nov. 9, 2007]

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