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The future of .com: How will emerging ccTLDs and .EU change the .com landscape?
What role will .com play in the future?
Lencarl




msg:3036099
 10:07 am on Aug 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi guys

Just a discussion point. Will there ever come a day when .com is overtaken by another domain name and if so what would it be.

[edited by: Lencarl at 10:08 am (utc) on Aug. 6, 2006]

 

Rightz




msg:3036103
 10:13 am on Aug 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

.google?

topr8




msg:3036113
 10:29 am on Aug 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

.com will not be taken over globally.

it would be more likely that the whole 'naming' structure/system could change (but not in the foreseeable future)

Lencarl




msg:3036122
 10:40 am on Aug 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

who decides the naming structure?

coopster




msg:3036410
 6:23 pm on Aug 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, Lencarl.

[icann.org...]

You can learn plenty more about ICANN in the Domain Names Library [webmasterworld.com] too.

AjiNIMC




msg:3036467
 7:07 pm on Aug 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

IMO .us like del.icio.us

Lencarl




msg:3036493
 7:46 pm on Aug 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why are new domains expensive?

[edited by: Webwork at 1:09 am (utc) on Aug. 7, 2006] Please see Charter [webmasterworld.com]

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leadegroot




msg:3036850
 4:49 am on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

What do you mean by expensive?
'New' domains cost exactly the same as 'old' domains, ie the price for the initial period is the same as for later renewals, except for the occasional registrar who will run a sweetheart deal for the first term to get you in.
You do need to know the right registrars to use to get a good price.

Quadrille




msg:3037000
 9:31 am on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Will there ever come a day when .com is overtaken by another domain name and if so what would it be.

If you read the twaddle they came out with .info, .biz, .name, you'd have though .com's days were numbered.

It didn't happen; not even close. Not even in the same universe.

So it's hard to imagine anything else succeeding.

.com has age, inertia, default status in browsers, default status in people's minds ... and a few victories under it's belt.

It'll stick around a while yet!

Quadrille




msg:3037002
 9:35 am on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Dot Com!
The most effectual Dot Com
Who's intellectual,
Close friends get to call him "D. C."
Providing it's with dignity

Dot Com!
The indisputable leader of the gang
It's the boss
It's a VIP
It's a championship
It's the most tip top - Dot Com

Yes it's the boss
It's the king,
but above everything
It's the most tip top - Dot Com!

DOT COM!

ritch_b




msg:3037022
 10:21 am on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

What's to say that .COM isn't already playing second fiddle to another domain? For example, for a UK based organisation dealing predominantly in the UK, I'll happily take, or recommend to my Client, a .CO.UK domain over a .COM any day of the week. That's not to say I won't recommend they purchase the .COM varient also, but in such cases, I'll recommend the .CO.UK as a primary domain each time.

I suspect in many cases, where a business trades primarily in one country, there's greater value to be had with their respective TLD, ie. a French business using the .FR domain as their primary.

There ends my two penneth.

R.

cerebrum




msg:3037552
 5:54 pm on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

In the coming future as the Internet becomes more localized, ccTLDs will be much more attractive. Theres no sense in having .com name with a store in UK.

.com will remain as the King of Internet.

DamonHD




msg:3037582
 6:21 pm on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey Quadrille,

Thanks!

For years I've not been able to decipher the line from "Top Cat" (one of my favourite cartoons when younger!):
but above everything

And, no, I don't think that .com will be dead anytime soon, at least not before the telephone and snail-mail PO boxes. It may not be new and trendy but it still mainly "just works".

Rgds

Damon

[edited by: DamonHD at 6:23 pm (utc) on Aug. 7, 2006]

oddsod




msg:3037605
 6:35 pm on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just because it was first doesn't mean it will always be ahead. Sure, our generation associates the internet with dot com. When my little son grows up he may not ever see dot com as anything different to the others he regularly uses - e.g., a .co.uk (BBC), a .org, several .edu and, of course, the .tvs!

A single company like Google can change the tide. Imagine the unlikely scenario of Google publicly stating that .org will now be given preference in the algo. Do you see a rush to register .orgs? Sure! You'll register yours too. That may be too far fetched but demonstrates that a single company can make a big difference. A less unlikely event is for the algo to develop a local bias in time so that you get more traffic overall if you have a .eu, .co.uk and .us than a single .com. Would people move to multiple domains (especially if dup content wasn't a problem)?

Dot com is still the Big Daddy but is it still as big a daddy as it was five years ago? I think not. In another five years it's likely to be less rather than more important.

That's just my call. Now, those of you selling dot com domains feel free to push your case ;)

Quadrille




msg:3037692
 7:24 pm on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Inertia; that's how .com beat .biz and .info.

It's in the browsers, the SEs and users minds.

not the answer to every single site (country specifics and .org are good examples), but even their supporters would be negligent not to buy the .com too (and ignore all the others).

Google would need a pretty good reason to try and challenge that; can you suggest one?

Of course there's no guarantees, about .com - or google - but on current evidence; Status Quo prevails. Lyrics on request ;)

[edited by: Quadrille at 7:26 pm (utc) on Aug. 7, 2006]

DamonHD




msg:3037878
 10:24 pm on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Quadrille,

Whatever you want, whatever you need (.com)...

Rgds

Damon

Dan_Warner




msg:3038054
 2:01 am on Aug 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

It is very hard to change the .Com bias. Think about the fact that every billboard, taxi cab, commercial on tv, and every print ad has something.com advertised in it or on it.

This positive reinforcement constantly brands not only the product but .COM as an extension. In fact if you own anything else, every time you advertise, you are also benefiting the owner of the .com, In many cases the .com will get the majority of the traffic developed from offline advertising even when you promote .Net, .Org, .Co.Uk

Why do you think poker web sites that cannot promote paid online gambling promote unpaid downloads on the .Net?

Everyone goes to the .Com and downloads the full application!

.COM rules because there is billions of dollars spent promoting it as the best extension every year.

oddsod




msg:3038426
 11:50 am on Aug 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Think about the fact that every billboard, taxi cab, commercial on tv, and every print ad has something.com advertised in it or on it.

Not in the UK, they don't, I see a wide range of extensions. Many countries are a lot more "nationalistic" than the UK and citizens see the use of a local domain as patriotic. <snip>

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mack




msg:3038433
 12:04 pm on Aug 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Theres no sense in having .com name with a store in UK

Not sure about that. To many people, the web is .com many would expect a business to have a .com.

for the UK, a .co.uk is a good move but also secure the .com

Mack.

Rightz




msg:3038440
 12:14 pm on Aug 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Has anyone mentioned the fact that the internet is still used by people that really don't understand it.

Those are the ones that type anything.COM because they think .com is the only domain type. They don't know that it is seen as american, nor do they know that they can put .co.uk

OptiRex




msg:3038472
 12:52 pm on Aug 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Think about the fact that every billboard, taxi cab, commercial on tv, and every print ad has something.com advertised in it or on it.

One has to presume that you haven't been to Europe, or China or India or Japan? I could go on.

The second largest TLD is .de, German businesses generally only opt for .com if their .de is not available or when they're launching a global site with a substantial US presence.

Invaribly they also register regional TLD's such as .it, .co.uk, .fr etc, this could be one of the reasons why Germany registered so many .eu names so that they can lauch a pan-European site each with their own language sub-section.

Certainly I am placing a lot of focus on our new .eu sites several of which are already appearing on the first pages of the SERPs.

Dan_Warner




msg:3040632
 12:38 am on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

There are certainly exceptions that break the general .com rules. Germany is a good example.

However, in most cases it is foolish not to value owning the .com even when you primarily promote another country code domain.

I'm in Australia. About half the businesses promote .com.au and the other half .com

The smart ones own both.

codemeit




msg:3040650
 1:00 am on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

.cn is widely used in China,
Because, I can hardly get a good name either in
English and Chinese for a .cn domain name.

Quadrille




msg:3040955
 8:16 am on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

In most English language countries, the .com is dominant, with the local suffix coming second; in one or two countries, I suspect the local form comes first (eg Australia?) where law protects the local form - and so makes it more trusted and more valued.

Overall, this still makes .com utterly dominant for English language websites; and totally dominant for 'international' web sites.

While there's no doubt that the SEs and some others have a 'local search' craze at the moment, that is probably matched by once-local sites expanding into the international world.

There are currently a few threads in here where .info and .biz owners have risked their wallets 301-ing (or worse!) to a new .com.

That's not the end of .com - it's more like the end of .biz and .info - does anyone disagree?

wildbest




msg:3040962
 8:23 am on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Will there ever come a day when .com is overtaken by another domain name and if so what would it be.

Yes, very soon! It will be replaced by .whateveryouwish!

OptiRex




msg:3041033
 10:45 am on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Will there ever come a day when .com is overtaken by another domain name and if so what would it be.

How about . x x x! when it's finally allowed? The board won't accept the correct extension!

When that occurs it will probably create a new mind set amongst the average surfers that something else is available.

Overall, this still makes .com utterly dominant for English language websites;

Maybe so for US-based companies however not necessarily so for the rest of the Enlish speaking world.

and totally dominant for 'international' web sites.

Useful but not necessarily essential.

I assume that you do not have an international business background otherwise you would know that many international companies when trying to source new products like to ensure that they are purchasing direct rather than through agents or trading houses?

This is specifically prevalent in China and I can assure you that our .cn sites receive far, far more business enquiries in English than our .com sites that carry precisely the same product information.

The difference? .cn and the contact e-mail address!

I can also confirm that the same applies to our .in addresses.

That's not the end of .com - it's more like the end of .biz and .info - does anyone disagree?

Yep, I do. Unfortunately I feel that many purchasers outside of the main English speaking world may take a more insular view and actually refuse to do business with US/UK/whatever companies/countries.

Will .com reign supreme when China and India are the world's largest economies?

Could .biz and .info be seen to be independent of the US connection? Just a thought.

Yes, very soon! It will be replaced by .whateveryouwish!

That's a very good point, there's no reason why not other than creating possible confusion in the user's mind however the benefits are very evident for many specific industries like .car, .music, .oil, .farm etc.

One thing I do know, I know nothing, and I haven't known that for very long:-)

oddsod




msg:3041163
 1:07 pm on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

many purchasers outside of the main English speaking world may take a more insular view and actually refuse to do business with US

I said something along those lines earlier. But, it's a fact. In some parts of the world your association with er, a certain country (even by using the TLD that's associated with that country) can mark you out as an undesirable company to do business with.

When you're staring a new Chinese business there's no harm in buying the .com to prevent someone else using it but it's becoming increasingly less of an issue as each year passes. Anyone who argues otherwise either has a stake in a big dot com domain portfolio or can't see much beyond their back garden. ;)

It's just a matter of time, dot com :)

Webwork




msg:3041174
 1:32 pm on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

It all makes sense: .cn, .in will rise up to supplant .com - up to the point where .us begins to stake out some ground as the country centric ccTLD for local business interests - at which point we may come full circle to the originally envisioned, global top level domain roles of the gTLDs.

You know the original vision. The one where gTLDs were meant to address global audiences, not parochial / national / regional audiences.

The wheel turns. Opinions about the future are more than grist for the mill. The millstone of time may prove that the original structure of the WWW - which has lead to many non-US companies adopting .com simply by virtue of .com being "the choice" - in the end is also the reason why, over time, .com will maintain its dominance as the default address: check .com first, use it if it's available, lose something to your competition if you have the same root name but not the .com address.

Another variable: Due to the intentional and historical internationalization of .com it is likely that search engines will treat .com based URLs a bit differently than ccTLDs.

oddsod




msg:3041196
 1:56 pm on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

check .com first, use it if it's available, lose something to your competition if you have the same root name but not the .com address.

Maybe. Sometimes. But not always.

I'm not surprised that I can't find the NSPCC at dot com. In fact, I didn't even look there originally. As it's a charity I naturally looked at the org BUT they aren't there either!

Not only did they completely ignore registering the dot com but they even ignored the .org in favour of .org.uk. Does anyone have trouble finding the NSPCC site? Maybe. But considering that you can go to Google and get the answer in 0.0034 seconds it's not even worth trying various TLDs anymore! Just Google or Yahoo it. And most people who want to get to the NSPCC know they can do that.

Is the guy who owns the parked dot com making any money? Possibly. Is the NSPCC losing large amounts of traffic because people can't find them? I hardly think so.

vite_rts




msg:3041210
 2:08 pm on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Reading this thread, it strikes me that for me

holding .com will remain important to

prevent anyone else having it

ubiquity, trading in several countries before you get their local tlds

Trading with the USA, i wanted to buy a .us domain recently , cos I canna get the .com, an discovered that .us is protected for US folk & companies only, interesting that

Overall, methinks the local tlds will gain ascendancy,

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