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How Does a Directory Build Up it's Pagerank?
Seeing new directories with suspiciously high Pagerank
roma1625




msg:3685373
 6:09 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)


System: The following message was cut out of thread at: http://www.webmasterworld.com/directories/3672279.htm [webmasterworld.com] by webwork - 1:20 pm on June 27, 2008 (utc -5)


I would like to know how directories are building up their PageRanks. I see directories that look brand new with PR4, 5 & even 6.

 

Webwork




msg:3686364
 3:09 pm on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

First, I'd say "forget toolbar Pagerank". Put it out of your head. Why? Because Pagerank is a somewhat pathetic "selling point" and probably the worst selling point to be promoting. Why? Because what Google grants Google can just as easily wipe away AND because the Pagerank is typically nothing more than index.htm or homepage Pagerank. Woohoo! So, what else ya got?

If you insist on knowing then check their backlink profile.

Given what you said about the age of the directories you probably already have your answer about just how much Pagerank matters in the context of what you are seeing. In the context of what you are seeing the (toolbar) Pagerank pretty much shows itself to mean nothing - except to the knuckleheads and chuckleheads who go about trumpeting about their directory's Pagerank.

roma1625




msg:3686370
 3:25 pm on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

Webwork,

Thanks for your opinion on Pagerank, but you really don't address my question, which is how directories achieve high Pageranks.

"In the context of what you are seeing the (toolbar) Pagerank pretty much shows itself to mean nothing" - I don't know why you think this. Why is this context any different from any other context?

Quote directly from Google:

"PageRank reflects our view of the importance of web pages by considering more than 500 million variables and 2 billion terms. Pages that we believe are important pages receive a higher PageRank and are more likely to appear at the top of the search results."

So those directories with high Pageranks are, by definition, important pages to Google. Their backlink profiles are apparently acceptable to Google, otherwise Google wouldn't rank them so highly.

martinibuster




msg:3686384
 4:09 pm on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

roma1625,
Webwork is trying to tell you a better way to create a sustainable business, one that will be better than what everyone else is doing. If you are not interested in doing things better than what everyone else is doing, then so be it.

In other words, and I will be more explicit, if you don't know how to gain high pagerank for a website, then what you need is not a fish, but to learn how to fish.

backlink profiles are apparently acceptable to Google, otherwise Google wouldn't rank them so highly.

That statement is not correct. This is why I say you need to learn how to fish. You do not understand even the basics of Google. Your level of understanding doesn't even qualify you as a beginner at SEO. Go to the Google forum and read their Google FAQs [webmasterworld.com]. Read every single post in every single thread and at the end of that study if you can understand why your statement is not correct then maybe you will be on the road to doing interesting things. I say this because I am trying to help you, to show you how to become good at what you do.

Good luck.
;)

roma1625




msg:3686448
 6:35 pm on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

martinibuster,

I haven't presented myself as any kind of expert at SEO. SEO isn't my profession. I'm not trying to become an expert. I just have a simple question, which is how sites can obtain high PR so quickly. I guess it's slight of hand or trickery.

And I don't care what they say in those threads about how important PR (toolbar vs real, etc.)is or not because the perception is what counts in many cases more than the reality. Try to ask someone to buy ad space or trade links with a low PR site and see how far you get.

Thanks

martinibuster




msg:3686456
 7:00 pm on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

>>>And I don't care what they say in those threads...

Then good luck, you're going to need it.

roma1625




msg:3686483
 7:30 pm on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

"...because the perception is what counts in many cases more than the reality."

Do I have to read every thread on WebmasterWorld before I can ask another question?

Of course, still no answer, only condescension.

buckworks




msg:3686493
 7:45 pm on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yes, it was answered:

If you insist on knowing then check their backlink profile.

If you study their backlinks, you'll learn where their PR is coming from, it's as simple as that.

roma1625




msg:3686513
 8:19 pm on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

buckworks,

Thanks, I suppose that is the answer.

I guess there was no need for the "discussion" with martinibuster, was there? I just wish he had told me something rather than just insist on telling me I don't know anything.

martinibuster




msg:3686609
 1:12 am on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

I told you what you needed to hear, and that was that you should do your homework and I gave you the link to where you'll find your answers. The reason I said that was because if you are so green that even when the answer is in your face you still don't get it, then grinding it up and spooning it to you as buckworks has done will not help you. I'm not being condescending, only trying to help you. You can resolve to stay willfully ignorant, that's your business, just don't say we didn't try to help you, because that's what we're trying to do- whether you realize it or not.

cbpayne




msg:3686764
 10:43 am on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Most of those new directories with PR4,5 or 6 are expired or hijacked domains. Have you noticed that there is NO toolbar PR on the category pages at almost all of them?

wheel




msg:3686869
 2:14 pm on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

>>>>Go to the Google forum and read their Google FAQs. Read every single post in every single thread and at the end of that study if you can understand why your statement is not correct then maybe you will be on the road to doing interesting things.

I can see how this sounds a bit condescending, but you should treat it as a motivating kick in the butt. FWIW, what martinibuster is suggesting is *exactly* what I did when I first got into link development. I read every post in the link dev. section going back years.

At the end I still didn't know how to do link development, but I knew what questions to ask and what to start trying.

roma1625




msg:3686915
 2:48 pm on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

cbpayne,

That was exactly the type of answer I was looking for. Thanks

[edited by: Webwork at 2:58 pm (utc) on June 30, 2008]
[edit reason] Per WebmasterWorld TOS and my stickymail please avoid "commenting about comments" [/edit]

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