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What went wrong with my dmoz application?
abhishekkaushik




msg:3375275
 1:20 am on Jun 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi there..

I applied for dmoz editorship for six times over the span of three months, I got rejected every time, but no complains as every time they gave me a acceptable reason what went wrong. From those mistakes I improved and applied again two times recently. The first time they gave me reason to decline was I have not fully disclosed my affiliated sites, that was correct, so I submitted a new application with three fresh sample urls, with the names of other sites where I have contributed by any means including mine. After few days I found my request has been again rejected so I checked it, and I was amazed to see that the editor review is the exact copy of previous time.

The way I submit sample urls is as follows;

(1)Submitted in a category with 61 sites there.
(2)The title of sites were the name of the site for example;
---Domain: x-widget.com
---Title: X Widget
(3)The description were no longer than two sentence, mostly one. And in closely dmoz style.

In the future I may apply again but I have few queries;

(1)If a particular dmoz editor is unlikely to approve you and you change the category which you applied for, will it be sent for review to a different editor?
(2)If a category has more than two editor what are the chances of getting selected for that category.
(3)Do they use auto responder for review?

If anyone has answer to these questions please share...

 

hutcheson




msg:3376325
 12:16 am on Jun 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

(1)If a particular dmoz editor is unlikely to approve you and you change the category which you applied for, will it be sent for review to a different editor?

No. The application reviewers don't specialize by category. But every time you apply, some "meta-editor" has to choose to review the application. It is likely to be a different person each time anyway.

(2)If a category has more than two editor what are the chances of getting selected for that category.

The number of editors already in a category is the smallest factor in the decision. If you can show that you can contribute to a category, what would it matter how many people are contributing already (or have contributed already)?

(3)Do they use auto responder for review?

No. Each application is reviewed by a human. But there is a boiler-plate rejection letter listing the most common obvious problems. The meta-editor chooses whether to send it, and whether to add comments to it.

abhishekkaushik




msg:3376594
 10:20 am on Jun 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks a lot hutcheson

you answered almost all my doubts, but one remains why they gave me the reason that have I not disclosed my affiliated sites though i did in the second attempt.

lgn1




msg:3381607
 11:23 pm on Jun 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

Other directories that accept editors, realize that their is a learning curve, and will keep an eye on new editors for the first little while and coach them. Joeant is a good example.

In my humble opinion, I get the impresson that DMOZ expect you to be perfect from the very start.

DMOZ needs new editors, and hopefully they will eventually
see the light.

Also many potential editors won't even apply because of the fear of rejection.

windharp




msg:3381977
 11:30 am on Jun 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

In my humble opinion, I get the impresson that DMOZ expect you to be perfect from the very start.

Not really. But we are - at least partially - convinced that it is easier to try to tell people what we expect from them beforehand, instead of doing that afterwards. Cleaning up after people who think that guidelines are not made for them unfortunately is a terrible lot of work. And since we all are volunteers, we try to reduce the number of such reworks we do.

Of course we don't think that our way is the only one the problem "internet directory" could be solved. Maybe it's not the best one. Maybe it turns out that is not even is a good one. But until now, there is no real example of how it could be done better, so the best thing is to continue in the same direction until there os proof that a dfferent direction leads to better results.

Also many potential editors won't even apply because of the fear of rejection.

Since being rejected as an ODP editor is not really such a terrible thing to happen (they rejected me once before they accepted my application), I dont really understand that. Well, there obviously was a reason I chose to become an engineer and not a psychologist. :-)

Joeant is a good example.

According to their page, they have had about 20 new listings per day over the last few days. Which means some people are actively working on the directory, but which also means that they are playing in a different league as DMOZ.

We don't have current figures on DMOZ, but in September 2006 (which is the newest data DMOZ published) we had a netto growth of 22k listings. Which includes removed listings. I don't have a precise number on these (because listings are removed by hand and by tools each and every day), but from the graphics you can easily see that at least 30k sites have been removed by an automated process in one go. Which gives a very rough estimate of about 2000 new listings per day.

Why am I telling you this? I don't want to say JoeAnt is bad. No, every directory started small, so does JoeAnt. Maybe it turns out that their concept is better than our concept, I can't predict that. But what I know is, that some things just don't scale. If you have 50 people, things just work different to having 500 people. And even more different to 5000 people.

Webwork




msg:3381979
 11:36 am on Jun 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks for insightful explanation windharp.

abhishekkaushik




msg:3389422
 11:16 am on Jul 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

lgn1 .... I think newbie person can learn the elementary skill to pass as dmoz editor after he/she has been rejected more than 5 times provided he has done lots of analysis.

For most of the rejections the suspicion factor is the biggest and you may never know where you did misteke..

In my experience I see submitted applications are mostly reviewed by a single reviewer, perhaps those are actively checking their email. And the most important questions their have in mind is what you do for other customers and websites?

The information provided by you can be partly crosschecked so if you submit a something fake in application you may never get a reply what went wrong. In my case they turn me down while weighting the one side risk factor and other side a dedicated editor.

Thanks Ivan_Bajlo the idea of trying wikipedia is really considerable.

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