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US RIAA Says ISPs Could Start Policing Copyright By July 12
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Msg#: 4429596 posted 4:10 pm on Mar 15, 2012 (gmt 0)

US RIAA Says ISPs Could Start Policing Copyright By July 12 [news.cnet.com]
The country's largest Internet service providers haven't given up on the idea of becoming copyright cops.

Last July, Comcast, Cablevision, Verizon, Time Warner Cable and other bandwidth providers announced that they had agreed to adopt policies designed to discourage customers from illegally downloading music, movies and software. Since then, the ISPs have been very quiet about their antipiracy measures.

But during a panel discussion before a gathering of U.S. publishers here today, Cary Sherman, CEO of the Recording Industry Association of America, said most of the participating ISPs are on track to begin implementing the program by July 12.


 

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 3:50 am on Mar 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

baaahhahahahha, I doubt that.


bahaha all you want but I've done a couple of serious slap downs and personally don't care if believe or not. Bunches of sites are simply gone and will never return as the agreed upon terms in the C&D and in a few cases, they paid a bunch of $$$ just to avoid paying even more to their lawyers.

Sometimes don't even need to bother with a DMCA as some hosts will shut down entire servers for massive AUP violations alone.

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 1:54 pm on Mar 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

[youtube.com...]

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 2:58 pm on Mar 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

@J_RaD,

You don't get it. It does not matter whether the "math" from the movie companies match up. Whether 100%, 50% or 0% of the "lost" sales would ever convert into sales.

It does not matter whichever phony arguments people have for the "I should have the right to copy what I want".
Even if the movie companies would not make a single extra dollar, if all copying magically stopped tomorrow.

It goes back to the basic fact, that if I (or you, or movie companies, ..) spend the time to create something, that gives us the right to determine what should happen to that creation. Whether that means getting paid, or giving it away "for the benefit of the world".

There is absolutely no argument you can make, that neither makes it ethical to think that everyone else's creations for some reasons suddenly automatically become yours to freely copy or use, nor makes it legal.

With very few exceptions, the only people that argue that we should be free to copy other people's stuff as we want, are people that have never created anything in their lives. They are instead pure consumers of entertainment, and for some odd reason don't like that other people (the creators) have the right to say that they must pay to consume.

As I have said before. If you don't want to pay, the solution is simple. DON'T PLAY. Or simply create your own alternatives.

Your argument of magically having the right to copy other people's benefits is the equivalent of saying that if I buy a car, then suddenly you have at the same time gained the right to drive it if you just pay for the gas. There simply is no such connection. No matter how convenient that might be, how much you wish for it, or how many strange people argue it should be so.

Not even "fuzzy math" arguments, such as since I already paid for the car, it costs nothing if you drive it around, as long as you bring it back. Basic fact: Its mine. I determine who can use it, how much they would have to pay to "rent" it, and I still have the right to tell you NO. That is the nature of property (or copyright) ownership. Moochers need not apply.

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 6:52 pm on Mar 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

A car is a horrible analogy, as while you drive my car, I can't drive it.

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 11:40 pm on Mar 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

@DeeCee Give up. The arguments are degrading to schoolyard taunts. We're being trolled.

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 2:24 am on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)


I buy a car, then suddenly you have at the same time gained the right to drive it if you just pay for the gas. There simply is no such connection.


you are also granted the right to make ZERO money if nobody likes your work.

old joke.... what can a pizza feed that an artist can't..... a family. har har har.


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all the PC game makers kept crying and crying that piracy was killing their profits, and this was the magic bullet to their profit problems.

so they add DRM... lots of it, and it gets cracked EVERYTIME.

so the owner of steam looked at the raw data and sales figures. *wow*

their sales NEVER changed after their DRM was cracked and it was free sailing on the high pirate seas. So piracy didn't touch their bottom line at all.. because the people that pirated the game NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION OF BUYING IT... and if not buying or not pirating meant not playing, they just didn't play.

no skin... screw it I can't play no biggie.. next.

same with music and movies.. these people are never going to buy.. and just cutting them off from the ablity to pirate DOES NOTHING, cause they don't fall asleep crying cause they can't get that song or movie they reallllllllllllllllly want, they just say OH WELL and zZZzzzzzzz into the night.

meanwhile you are biting your finger nails freaking out about stolen content.

there is the also the other side of the coin that people that would NEVER buy your music, pirate it, like it... then BUY IT. cause they would have never paid cash for your stuff cause they thought it would suck 100000% but once they got a taste loved it and paid you cassssssssssssssh.

sometimes the 22 second amazon preview doesn't translate.




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the free flow of information is better then no flow of information.

[edited by: J_RaD at 3:08 am (utc) on Mar 20, 2012]

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 2:47 am on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)


bahaha all you want but I've done a couple of serious slap downs and personally don't care if believe or not


but one day you'll run across the smarter person that you can't do that to.... and they'll play wack-a-mole with you till you can't come up from air anymore.

Like I said.. keep barking up trees.

DeeCee



 
Msg#: 4429596 posted 7:05 am on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

@incrediBILL, you are right. We are either dealing with children, or criminals that belong behind bars. Neither of which one can have a real conversation with, as they think anything in the world belongs to them for the taking.

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 11:26 am on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

This stuff is nothing new except the sheer pirated volume thanks to easy access via the internet.

I knew a couple of brothers that ran video stores back in the heyday of VCRs. They were making a ton of money renting way more copies of videos than they purchased, had a huge backroom tape duping operation ... until that fateful day back in '82 when the FBI and MPAA strolled in and carted out about 4600 videos.

The fun part was their customer list included lots of local politicians, doctors, lawyers and even judges that knew damn well the content they were renting were illegal bootlegs.

If they said otherwise they were damn liars with the plain labels on the VCR tapes and those FBI warnings at the front of each video reminding them it was a CRIME, so they all got what was coming to them.

It made a huge stink in local politics and a lot of people got real nervous out of fear that the type of videos they had been renting, many adult in nature, might be made public.

Sadly, here it is 30 years later and the idiots still haven't learned and are bolder than ever flaunting it publicly, not even clever enough to hide their operations.

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 1:40 pm on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

criminals that belong behind bars

Behind bars? Hardly.

Why should I the tax payer pay $100,000-150,000/year to incarcerate someone who is no threat to me?

Jail should be for "real" crimes. Murder, rape, etc

Different punishments are needed for crimes like this. Ones that suit the situation.

DeeCee



 
Msg#: 4429596 posted 2:09 pm on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

@Gibble,

I surely agree with that for normal download "a bootleg movie" type stuff... Like when children won't listen, where you have to find a punishment that matters to them (take away the cell-phone, favorite toy, no baseball for a week, ..), we likely need to find punishments that both are painful, and can be enforced. Fines should also be involved. For adults money is typically a common pain-point. Having to pay, having wages garnished until paid off, ...

When I said behind bars, I was thinking of people that have made a business or "on the side money in my pocket" type profit out of scraping other people's content. Whether that is putting ads on a site next to other people's scraped web-content, creating and selling bootleg movies, counterfeit wares, or similar violations.

For those that make an illegal business out of theft, harsher and immediate punishments are needed.

No for sure. Jail is not the place for the individual copyright violator, who is not taking in money from the en-devour. But it should still cost them.

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 2:16 pm on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

Different punishments are needed for crimes like this. Ones that suit the situation.


How true.

Let's make a punishment that fits the crime.

They should be confined to house arrest and forced to watch the last movie or listen to the last song they pirated non-stop for at least 5 years. No other music, movies, TV, radio, nada, just that last one over and over and over... totally maddening!

Could you imagine if your last pirate was Groundhog Day you would be watching a movie over and over about someone reliving a day over and over, the ultimate insanity :)

I was thinking of people that have made a business or "on the side money in my pocket" type profit


Exactly.

Someone using the IP of others to make a profit is a very different than someone just using it for their own private usage.

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 4:11 pm on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

I heard that they are going to force Ford and Chev to instal breathalyzers in every new car that you will have to blow into before you can start your vehicle.

I also heard that they will put in GPS tracking systems that will track your speed and check that against the known speed limit for that area. If you speed then Ford or Chev will issue you a speeding ticket. It also tracks how far from the curb you park, if you are too far out it will issue you a ticket.

If you don't pay the ticket in a timely manner then the car locks up and you can't use it until you pay the fine and the late fee, and explain yourself in court.

I think we all agree that it should be up to the car companies to police what we do in cars. The police shouldn't have to do all that work associated to policing. There are private companies for that.

The police's time is better spent breaking up unhappy citizens protesting unfair government practices, not investigating crime.

For example why do the police deal with stolen cars? Isn't it up to the car company to track everything it's customers do with their product?

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 1:18 am on Mar 22, 2012 (gmt 0)

Demaestro said:
I think we all agree that it should be up to the car companies to police what we do in cars.

-Brilliant rejoinder ! I hope you are a well funded lawyer in the U.S. :)

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 3:57 am on Mar 22, 2012 (gmt 0)

Anyone remember this?

[deltatao.com...]

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 11:31 am on Mar 23, 2012 (gmt 0)

So what this will accomplish? Those who want to download as before they'll use other methods vpn, encryption and the like. At the same time I do not see the recording industry taking any meaningful steps to protect their resources and it may create false positives affecting consumers.

DeeCee



 
Msg#: 4429596 posted 2:14 pm on Mar 23, 2012 (gmt 0)

@enigman1

The real full blown criminals, sure.

But, which percentage of the people connecting to known download sites, and using torrents do you think are technical enough to go that far.

Also, IF someone go that far to hide their tracks (which because of DL amount will not really work), then they have also just removed any remaining innocence they could otherwise claim. If someone end up getting tagged, there will no longer be any doubt.

Sort of like "So, Mr Smith. You claim you were just entering the bank to do normal bank-business.. Ahh, but wearing a ski-mask and a note in you pocket saying this-is-a-stickup"

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Msg#: 4429596 posted 2:42 pm on Mar 23, 2012 (gmt 0)

Regarding the technicalities it's the same now, it's not like the average john doe has to know much about technology, he just clicks a button. vpn client download and install and then they access stuff as before.

As of hiding their tracks they won't even know it, all they'll know it's that they installed something that "works". And with vpn the ISP is out of the picture. Sure they'll go after the hosts but they do that already. All this leads to is more zombie-nets thanks to these magic packages and with highly questionable results for RIAA.

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