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A site with google pagerank of 5/10 copied my article
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jason1989

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 6:40 pm on Oct 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Dear Sirs:

I created a website for my wife who is a social worker and writes her own articles based on her experience.

By accident, I ran into a website with pagerank of 5/10 with a word for word copy of her article except for the author information. After further review of the site, I found some other articles of my wife. One of them had at the bottom source wifedomain.com (it was text, not a link).

My wife's website was created 4 months ago and has a pagerank of 0/10 yet it's based on pure original content.

My concern is that the other website, being established and having good pagerank, may cause Google to think that we are stealing content from their site.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

BeeDeeDubbleU

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 6:54 pm on Oct 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

I think you should contact them with a cease and desist.

jason1989

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4012774 posted 7:39 pm on Oct 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

The majority of this site's content is from a bunch of other websites. At the bottom of most articles, in text (not a link) they include 'Source: somedomain.com'. I found one article of ours without the credit and two others with the credit.

I think that it is very sad that a website that simply copies stuff from other websites can have such high pagerank (5/10).

purplecape

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 8:33 pm on Oct 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

File a DMCA violation with their provider.

Syzygy

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 12:09 am on Oct 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

Tackle them directly - ask them to remove your content.

toplisek

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 7:49 am on Oct 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Whick linke has DMCA ?

guia

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 7:59 am on Oct 26, 2009 (gmt 0)


You may check this link about DMCA- It is Digital Millenium Copyright Act.It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself.
[en.wikipedia.org...]

But based on my experience, I also copy content from other site but it is for SEO purpose or what we called Link Bait. It is copying content from other site but I make sure that I add the link resources on which I copy the content. The best thing you do is to email him or her and tell about your concerns.

toplisek

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 8:11 am on Oct 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes, but this is just Act not link to write them...URL

purplecape

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 4:08 pm on Oct 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

guia, even if provide the "link resources," if you are copying 100% of the content word for word you are CLEARLY committing a copyright violation.

jason1989

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 4:45 pm on Oct 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

This piracy situation is pretty discouraging, my wife creates an article and somebody just copies it onto their site. Doing a search for the article only produces the copied result.

It would be nice if Google provided the ability to submit URLs of stolen material. I know that it would be a huge task for Google, but at least this way, offending sites could be identified and have their pagerank dealt with.

Lorel

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 4:59 pm on Oct 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

While you are reporting the theft also get some links directly to your articles, which will enable you to rank above the thief if you get some quality links.

HRoth

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 2:04 pm on Nov 5, 2009 (gmt 0)

"It would be nice if Google provided the ability to submit URLs of stolen material."

They do. File a DMCA letter with Google. They will look at the site and they can tell which site had the material first. I did this with a site that did not respond to my request to remove my material, and Google removed the site from their search results. The Google DMCA info is here:

[google.com...]

StoutFiles

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 3:02 pm on Nov 5, 2009 (gmt 0)

But based on my experience, I also copy content from other site but it is for SEO purpose or what we called Link Bait. It is copying content from other site but I make sure that I add the link resources on which I copy the content.

Um, what you're doing is illegal. If you like an article then link to it, but copying the words for SEO/Link Bait is outright stealing.

stapel

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 9:10 pm on Nov 5, 2009 (gmt 0)

FYI regarding sending a DMCA take-down notice to the offending site's host:

You can find the IP address of the plagiariser, and work backwards to find the hosting service. If within the USA, you should be able to locate a "Copyright Policy", "DMCA Notice", or similar page, or at least a contact page for the host.

I send something along the lines of the following to the host:

Dear [name of person or service],

It has come to our attention that copyrighted content created by [name] for [domainname.com] has been posted to your servers.

Therefore, you are being provided with the following information.

==============================================
==============================================

1) The following is an electronic copy of the signature of the [domainname] copyright owner:

/[owner's name between the slashes]/

As the copyright owner, [owner] is authorized to speak on the behalf of the copyright owner.

(Copyright Registration Numbers TX #-###-###, TX #-###-###, TX #-###-###, and TX #-###-###; statutory damages may apply)

( [link to site's usage terms, if any] )

==============================================

2) The identity of the copyrighted materials infringed:

[listing of URLs for original content]

==============================================

3) The identity of the material claimed to be an infringement:

[listing of URLs of plagiarism]

==============================================

4) Information reasonably sufficient to allow the online service provider to contact the complaining party:

[owner or site name]
[street address]
[city, state, zip]

[other owner or site address, such as P.O. Box, if any]

[owner phone number]

[owner e-mail address]

==============================================

5) Statement that the complaining party has "a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent or the law."

"I, [owner], creator and owner of the lessons content and images on all the pages listed at:

[[domainname.com]...]

...have never given permission to [plagiarising site, plagiarising site's owner, plagiarising site's apparent affiliates, other connections], [plagiariser's host], its vendors, or any other of its agents or affiliates to copy, mirror, download/upload, frame, hotlink, rework, or otherwise present my work, or derivatives thereof, as his/her/their own.

"I,[owner], hereby reiterate my good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent or the law."

==============================================

6) Statement that the information in the notice is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the
copyright owner.

"To the best of my knowledge, the information I, [owner], have hereby presented is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the copyright owner."

==============================================
==============================================

If you need the above to be directed to any additional addresses, or if you need any further documentation, or to have the above documentation reformatted, or in some other way refashioned, please provide specific advice.

Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

Sincerely,
[my name]
[my site name]

You might want to give the above a whirl. (If you have not yet registered your copyright, then you'll of course need to omit that part.)

In my experience, plagiarisers know full well what they're doing, and have no respect for the people from whom they're scraping content. Asking the bad guy please to be nice is unlikely to succeed. But the above letter is usually fairly-quickly successful in getting pages, or even entire sites, taken down.

My best wishes to you and your wife.

Eliz.

stephen186

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 3:55 pm on Nov 9, 2009 (gmt 0)

You should directly send them a message and ask for an explanation. If you can show that your content was published prior to theirs there are a lot of things that you can do about it.

piatkow

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 3:35 pm on Nov 10, 2009 (gmt 0)

It should be made clear that DCMA is United States federal law although it would be exceptional for a hosting service in another Western country not to take some action on a formal notice of misuse of copyright material.

Jane_Doe

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 4:48 pm on Nov 10, 2009 (gmt 0)

What are your thoughts on this?

Jason1989, I share your pain. I just saw one of my articles very slightly rewritten on a famous TV personality's blog. I have seen versions of my articles in magazines I was flipping through at the check out stand and in flyers they put in my bags from the grocery store. Actually, I made money from at least some of the magazine articles because people were going to the Internet for more info on the topic.

You can do all of tactics in this post, but moral indignation aside, from a purely cost of your time business decision, you'll probably make more money / get higher rankings by just changing the words around in your own articles and getting great links to point to them.

Once you get to the point where you have hundreds or thousands of well ranking articles online, filing all of those orders gets to be a bit of a fool's game. It is like a never ending game a whack a mole. For me it just comes down to a question of what is the best use of my time and what activities are going to maximize my earnings.

BeeDeeDubbleU

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 7:27 pm on Nov 10, 2009 (gmt 0)

you'll probably make more money / get higher rankings by just changing the words around in your own articles and getting great links to point to them.

And that's dead easy?

Jane_Doe

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Msg#: 4012774 posted 11:01 pm on Nov 10, 2009 (gmt 0)

And that's dead easy?

It's not easy, and it sucks to have to do it. For me, it comes down to what is going to get my sites ranked higher, spending an afternoon filling out DMCA forms or writing a guest article with links back to my copied pages that gets published on a high ranking site in my field.

gregsometimes

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4012774 posted 8:49 am on Nov 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

Email the site owner and say "Great article on...", in your signature include your wife's domain name.

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