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Framing another website
How I can make this ethical
StoutFiles




msg:3931817
 6:29 am on Jun 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Here's what I'd like to do. I want to frame a lot of websites...let's say 300, all of the same niche. The user would click on a link which would open up a new browser window/tab.

The external site shown would be completely displayed except for a small navigation bar at the top of the page...width 100%, height=50. The navigation bar could be closed at anytime with an x in the upper right of it. It would display no ads. It would provide the exact address of the site it is linking to.

I stand to make zero profit off of showing these pages....the only "profit" is that people would come to my site to pick 20 of these 300 sites they like and then view them conveniently instead of separately bookmarking the pages themselves. If someone did this with your site, how would you feel? If they told you ahead of time they were doing this, how would you feel?

 

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:3931908
 9:19 am on Jun 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

How would I feel? Probably very ^&**^^% angry!

tangor




msg:3931909
 9:32 am on Jun 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Put your site in that site and then let me know how you feel.

The ONLY js I have on my site is framebuster. For that very reason.

georged




msg:3931915
 9:46 am on Jun 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Not for profit. Provides site in a frame. Google do something very similar with their images search when you click on a pic. It's not deceptive and no-one is having their content stolen and passed off as someone else's.

I'd say its fine if the site owner agrees.

tangor




msg:3931937
 10:01 am on Jun 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Do the web thing. Provide a link. Don't display their content under your umbrella. This is not verbotten, but is not happy times either. I don't like it, run framebuster to prevent it, etc etc etc.

@georged: The pass off/(theft) is the frame. That simple. I don't allow google to do that or any other website (if I can prevent it).

StoutFiles




msg:3932011
 12:47 pm on Jun 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Somethng else to consider, the content on these niche websites is NOT completely unique; therefore, if a site said no I would find another site with the same material to say yes.

Hypothetical question: As a site owner, would you pass up being framed to not be included in the #1 used database about your niche, the site where everyone goes to find the best sites about your niche? Would you pass this up due to your strict guidelines about being in a frame?

Remember, there are no company logos on the navigation bar...it is only there so users can easily sift through the websites they had previously selected. The navigaion bar would have Prev and Next buttons, as well as an HTML Select bar. It would make viewing 20 sites rapidly much easier than having to click 20 different links and closing windows afterwards; however, I would consider the latter option if it was the only choice I had due to frame hatred.

HRoth




msg:3932240
 5:11 pm on Jun 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

"As a site owner, would you pass up being framed to not be included in the #1 used database about your niche, the site where everyone goes to find the best sites about your niche?"

I sure would. Don't kid yourself you are providing a service. You aren't. Because you are NOT Google.

StoutFiles




msg:3932291
 6:17 pm on Jun 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

I sure would. Don't kid yourself you are providing a service. You aren't. Because you are NOT Google.

Geez, you don't have to mean about it. A simple no would suffice.

One of my pages makes +50 bucks/day framed in another site, and the framing situation is a lot worse than what I'm planning. Do I care I'm framed? Hell no! I'm getting traffic from it and my ads are still being shown. I'm not sure why everyone is so anti-frames, especially if I'm going to go out of my way to say the conent is not mine and basically advertise the site it comes from.

StoutFiles




msg:3932303
 6:31 pm on Jun 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

This seems to be a touchy subject as I think many people have had their content scraped or stolen. I guess I'll just drop the topic.

I'm going to do it anyway, probably around November or December. I'll be contacting sites beforehand and showing them a working model and they can approve or disapprove being added...I'm not going to touch their content at all if they say no. Thanks for the responses though, just shows I'll have to work extra hard for this to work.

Conard




msg:3932304
 6:32 pm on Jun 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

If you put a frame buster script on your 50 buck a day page, you'll still have a 50 buck a day page minus the frame. That is unless the referring site removes your link.

I don't let anyone frame any of my pages, including Google images.

StoutFiles




msg:3932310
 6:45 pm on Jun 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

The referring site would remove my link. However, I have been getting more external traffic the longer the page has been framed due to my website name being in the framed page.

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:3932593
 9:26 am on Jun 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'll be contacting sites beforehand and showing them a working model and they can approve or disapprove being added...I'm not going to touch their content at all if they say no.

That's the answer.

Harry




msg:3933088
 4:25 pm on Jun 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

For every StoutFiles that takes the time to contact owners of their actions, there are 200 that don't...

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