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Article Submission Websites
Do you ever submit articles and do you ever use their articles?
bbd2000




msg:3562295
 8:33 pm on Jan 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

I have submitted articles to the various article sites and I have tracked them over the web.

Here are my conclusions for the articles I have submitted:

1. My articles are picked up quickly by scrapper/RSS feed sites. The links back to the source and to my site is almost always deleted.
2. I rarely see one of my articles show up on a “quality” site. When it does appear the link is not attached.
3. In the end, all I expect is a link from the article directory itself.

On the other hand, as a webmaster I am always looking for content and here are my conclusions:

1. Most of the articles on these type sites are of questionable quality and often lead to low quality sites.
2. When I do find an article that I like, I am somewhat hesitant about putting it on my website. Even without considering the duplicate content problems these articles create, I just feel like these type articles cheapen my site.

My two question to my fellow webmasters:

1. Do you still submit to the popular article directories?
2. Do you use any of the articles on those sites for your own websites?

 

bilalseo




msg:3570022
 8:30 pm on Feb 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

Nice questions overall, Yes it seems bad when we submit articles on these free directories only for getting back links to our websites. I want to say that these sites owners only wants to get their sites rich in contents by offering us to place article for free. You can see that every article is accepted within a week and come along with adwords. So they want unique content for their sites to get High SERPs, and place our link with nofollow tag or often you can see that most of our articles don't have back link that we left out there. So, in my point of view its all about collecting contents without doing any effort. It is better to bookmark your contents on different bookmarking websites such are digg, reddit, technority, etc. Hope this would add information in your account :)

Thanks,

Bilal Qayyum

[edited by: tedster at 1:42 am (utc) on Feb. 11, 2008]

VestRite




msg:3571127
 11:25 pm on Feb 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've never even heard of that problem. My suggestion is to post your article on your web site first. That will ensure proper placement for your article in yahoo and msn - as those are the search engines that care most about original content appearing first in the SERPs. Another way you can help that is to include the URL as the backlink. That way, if the readers see your article, see the offer in your resource box, and the link is deactivated, then they can still type in the web site in their browser and get to your site.

I'm hosting an article publishing feature on my website, and these things are good to know. Thank you for your insight.

Sincerely,
Devin T.

[edited by: digitalghost at 1:22 am (utc) on Feb. 11, 2008]

marodhum




msg:3576524
 6:59 am on Feb 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

I totally agree with bbd.
Article submission is a wastage of your time.. better to add them in your own site.
I have submitted a couple before.. and found they are mostly scrapped by spammmy bloggers without my link and did not do any justice to my site. when i contacted the site, where i have submitted my article.. they told me they cannot do anything with that. Though it is clearly mentioned in their TOS that printing article without the link is a complete violation of policy.
As

rogerd




msg:3577228
 3:18 pm on Feb 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

Bbd2000, I think you have answered your own questions with your initial observations.

The only advantage I can think of for submitting articles to such sites is name recognition and branding. If some of the spam blogs and crummy sites that pick up the content get some pageviews, your name or brand will get some exposure (even without links). The value of this is questionable, though, both from a traffic volume and quality association standpoint. I wouldn't recommend it.

bbd2000




msg:3578340
 12:37 am on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thanks rogerd,

The lack of responses led me to think that article marketing is dead.

No one responded that article marketing is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Neither did anyone respond that it is a scam.

After I posted the above, I did an extensive review of one of the most popular sites looking for content. The stuff I found was either short promotional articles of little use or longer articles full of errors. I decided to move on. Since I didn’t feel comfortable using any of their content, I assumed other quality sites feel the same way.

Therefore, I think I will look to other methods of obtaining links and other ways of getting quality content.

Thanks again,
bbd2000

naitsirhc26




msg:3578529
 5:08 am on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

I tried article submissions websites for a while - and came to the conclusion that it's all useless, and not a good way to get visitors. If you have quality, unique content - visitors will come. Plain and simple. :-) At least that's the theory I live by with my sites!

Fortune Hunter




msg:3579384
 10:21 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

It seems the general consensus is that submitting to the article sites isn't that useful. I just started this back in August of 2007. So far I can't say that I have received much in the way of useful links or traffic. I went back and read some of the articles I posted and found them to be pretty good articles.

My question is if I now want to use them on my site since they seem to be doing so little good where they are at how do I do that without being penalized by the Google or Yahoo for having duplicate content?

purplecape




msg:3579487
 12:15 am on Feb 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

"My question is if I now want to use them on my site since they seem to be doing so little good where they are at how do I do that without being penalized by the Google or Yahoo for having duplicate content? "

Is there a procedure for removing them from the article site? Though even if there is, they could be somewhere else too.

Possibly you'll have to rewrite them enough that they wouldn't be seen as duplicate content. But how much that is, I don't know.

rogerd




msg:3579985
 1:40 pm on Feb 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

Article marketing may not be entirely dead - it does require a different approach.

There's nothing wrong with, say, contacting quality sites related to your topic and offering to provide an article or two as long as you get a brief bio and link. It's a win-win, and you can customize the content to avoide dupe content issues for both sites.

pageoneresults




msg:3579993
 1:57 pm on Feb 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

1. Do you still submit to the popular article directories?

Not once since 1995 have I ever submitted an article to another site. And yes, I do have a site where our members do submit articles but they are few and far between.

Here's what happens. You write this killer article. You submit it to these resources. The first one to get indexed is usually the leader at that point. If the original article hasn't already been indexed under the author's website, here comes one challenge. There is no need to submit to these resources since many are going to scrape your site anyway so it is a natural process and doesn't need manual intervention. ;)

2. Do you use any of the articles on those sites for your own websites?

Absolutely not. I may extract a snippet from the article and link to it with the snippet surrounding that link but I'm not going to republish the entire article, that doesn't do me much good and it adds to the duplication factor.

Articles have become a commodity just like links, search engine submissions, directory submissions, etc. Really good articles are hard to find. And, when you find them, you want to link to them, don't you? ;)

Yes, I know, how do you get them noticed? Ah, that's the million dollar question and the reason why we are all here. There is a very long list of todos when working with articles. Multi page articles are killer performers if done properly.

I'd say keep your articles to yourself. Set up an RSS feed. Let them come to you which they will do eventually. Its a matter of time, patience, and planting seeds in just the right places. ;)

bbd2000




msg:3580175
 5:06 pm on Feb 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

Pageoneresults,

Thank you for a great reply. I’ll print your post out and put in my lessons learned file.

Rogerd,

I have been on the receiving end of this. Several people have contacted me and offered unique articles for a link back to their sites. So far they have all been high quality and I happily published them.

marodhum




msg:3580200
 5:33 pm on Feb 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

Same here also. First time i have been contacted by a webmaster, to write articles for me in exchange for a backlink. I happily agreed and awaiting for the article.
Between how many link maximum shall i provide from that article? Thanks for any opinion in advance.
AS

amelvin




msg:3585034
 2:58 pm on Feb 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

To declare an interest I edit a website that accepts original articles from writers and can offer a few pointers.

Firstly submitting to engines that will then scatter your work anywhere won't help you much; you are much better to have you own site and RSS - and then use the syndicators who provide a link to your article on your site without repeating the whole content. If people like the taster they'll go to your site; if they like the site they'll come back.

Secondly if you want exposure then approach biggish similar sites write a couple of articles and have your biog with links sat next to your article (as mentioned above); you may prefer to make a name that way in any event.

Finally there is so much content now that duplicate articles (like duplicate CVs) just smack of desperation. Don't re-use.

einsteinsboi




msg:3587331
 6:00 pm on Feb 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

This is an interesting thread. I have never submitted an article to an article directory for most of the same reasons listed above. I believe it's more valuable to me to post my content on my own websites. What I have found is that indexing seems to work faster the more content you have, and if it's high quality content then you will get linkbacks from people referring to your writing.

I also don't use content from article directories. The amount of duplicate content out there is amazing. When I do a search on Google I find myself looking at tons and tons of duplicate content with different urls, so I tend to scroll down until I find something that looks different.

On my major websites I create all the content myself, because they tend to be sites that cover subjects I am interested in and know something about. I do occasionally buy filler content for some of my sites but it's from writers that I have been working with and know, and I know the content will be unique and good quality, plus I edit it myself.

Of course this approach means that it takes me longer to build and populate my websites, but at the end I like the result and I'm proud to be associated with it. And i have found that indexing seems to work really fast sometimes. For example, I built a website using Drupal two days ago and added some articles I had written. When I went to look at my logs yesterday, there were already hits from search engines!

outland88




msg:3588587
 3:04 am on Mar 1, 2008 (gmt 0)

Actually quite a few article sites copy their own content and create individual web sites for the categories such as health, weight loss, computers, travel etc. With the newly created site they then take your content and strip the URLs out of them to make it appear they’ve created the original content for the new sites. That’s why you’ll find, if you look enough, the site stripping your links out from your submitted content is actually owned by the article site you originally submitted to in many instances. Voila, many rank quite well on their new sites courtesy of your content. Plus the well-ranked article site you originally submitted to extends links to their new site. Quite a few make a fortune at it. Some own as many as 1000 sites. It’s a hustle.

Once you see how they actually set it up you’ll realize at best you’ll end up with is a few links to your site. Oh, they’ll provide you with a mass article submitter for sure. No matter what you believe the bottom line is you can you can get as many links in a day from a few legitimate FFA sites than you’ll ever get from any article site in a year. Plus it’s a lot less work.

sahm




msg:3606894
 11:33 pm on Mar 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

I don't submit articles to the big directories, but in the past year I have found some high-quality niche article directories that have been working well for me. Article marketing is not dead if you can get your articles into the right hands. I have a sign up page on my web site where publishers sign up to receive my new articles directly. I have more than 100 publishers on that list. Between that list, and a handful of specific, small directories, my articles get distributed quite widely. I do also post my articles on my web site first. My copies are almost always indexed first.

I do sometimes use article directory articles on my site, but I am very, very selective about what I post. I make sure the content is good enough for my site. I have also found some directories to be a great place to find new writers to develop a working relationship with. Then you can by-pass the directory! You just have to learn to use the directories to your benefit.

Fortune Hunter




msg:3608056
 4:21 pm on Mar 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

One of the key things to SEO is inbound links to your site from high traffic and authoritative sites. What is the best way to generate these inbound links if it is not having your articles published somewhere else with a bio link back?

Multi page articles are killer performers if done properly.

Can you elaborate on this? I have several multi-page articles, but I am not sure "if they are done properly" so to speak to be a killer performer for me. I would love to hear a little more of how you do this right.

jacstar




msg:3610356
 6:45 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've always found that using articles from multiple submission sites to be a pain. Quality is often questionable and Google punishes you for it if you're not careful.

As far as I'm aware and concerned, unique content will always win over submission sites anytime.

Jacs.

[edited by: engine at 4:14 pm (utc) on Mar. 26, 2008]
[edit reason] see TOS [/edit]

mktgpro




msg:3611871
 3:57 am on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yes it is quite true that it doesnt help to put in hours together to create original content and then get no benefit. The best is create original content, post in on your site & get it indexed and then distribute brief versions to directories you can trust. Next best thing to do is to contact ezine publishers & you definitely get a good response if the quality of your articles is good.

mktgpro

System
redhat



msg:3612386
 4:22 am on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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4:30 pm on Mar. 27, 2008 (utc 0)

Anat




msg:3625888
 4:29 pm on Apr 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

Well, I'm here to give a slightly different perspective. I found this thread very interesting, so went to check on an article which I submitted to Ezinearticles in 2005. I ran a search for a sentence from the article and came up with 400 results. I only checked the first 20 that came up, and ALL of them had an active link back to my site in the resource box.

What's more, my article comes up first for a good search term, albeit not on my site. It does teach me a lesson, but not that duplicate content penalties are in the way (an article with several hundreds of copies is at #1), but that I'm going to try this next -

Write a quality article (the one I am referring to was good quality) about a topic. Link from the article, in the resource box or within the article or both, to a page on my site on the same topic with even better, more detailed content and this time, using deep-linking with the right anchor text.

Time will tell if this works or not. Just wanted to share my experience with my article published 3 years ago. It does drive traffic to my site. It did generate backlinks, but not on any good search term. The duplicate content did not incur any penalty. It was good enough to get picked up on a few good sites and as far as I can see, at least quite a few sites kept the active link intact.

Shubz




msg:3626190
 6:21 am on Apr 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

Not all article submission sites are the same. we still have a few good ones that do link back to you. May be you have not had good experiences with this. Keep submitting stuff. You can reduce the number of articles though. I think bookmarking is a better option. Try it out!

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