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Using my content but linking to me
is this okay?
tomthumb2000




msg:3302925
 8:05 am on Apr 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

A very prominent site wants to start using content from my site - if they link to me will google credit my pages as being the original?

The other site has a much higher page rank, authority status etc

I can make sure they link to the original pages that they're copying...

 

wolfadeus




msg:3303106
 11:55 am on Apr 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think this depends on the amount of content that they take from your pages...quoting is common practice, taking the content of an entire page is not.

Beagle




msg:3303580
 7:01 pm on Apr 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

To add a bit to Wolfadeus's response, the best thing would be for the other site to use just a bit of your article and then provide a link to the full article on your site for people who want to read the rest. In regard to your specific question, that would mean that even if the prominent site does end up getting ranked as the original source, it would involve only a small amount of your text. The main advantage of the arrangement is that it brings people - and bots - from that site to yours.

The broader question of what to do is more complicated, and depends on a lot of things that you've probably looked at already (like the page rank). How prominent is the "prominent" site? In my niche, there is one site that is THE site for the niche and everyone knows it. I've managed to sneak a few links into their forum, but if they contacted me and asked if they could use one of my essays I wouldn't think twice. The exposure alone, as well as the authority that would rub off on my site by simply having my writing appear there, would be well worth any duplicate content problem that might arise. There are some other sites that are more prominent, and/or rank higher than mine, and with them I would think twice - and most likely allow them to just use part of my article and then link to the full one.

But even with THE authority site, I wouldn't give them free reign to take anything they wanted. Any benefit to me would drop off sharply after an initial exposure, so I'd have to decide where I think the returns would be too diminished to continue.

[edited by: Beagle at 7:02 pm (utc) on April 5, 2007]

tomthumb2000




msg:3307167
 6:47 am on Apr 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks for that.

The site in question wants to use entire articles. It can be good for us from an exposure angle and bring traffic.

My question is that IF they link to the original page on my site, will Google understand that i'm the original poster and credit my page rather than theirs, even though i'm a smaller site?

Maybe there are no clear answers to this one?

stapel




msg:3307857
 8:31 pm on Apr 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

tomthumb2000 said: The site in question wants to use entire articles. It can be good for us from an exposure angle and bring traffic.

How do you figure that people visiting this other site, and having now no need to visit yours (since your content is mirrored on the other site), gives you "good exposure"? As far as I can see, all this does is expand the other site.

tomthumb2000 said: IF they link to the original page on my site, will Google understand that i'm the original poster...?

How would Google's bot be able to make this determination? All Google will see is a "big" site and a "little" site with the same content. At least one of you could then be hit with a "duplicate content" penalty. What do you think are the odds on the "big" site volunteering to take the hit, when they won't even steer their visitors to the original source?

This seems like a very bad idea to me. I could be wrong, of course....

Eliz.

SteveWh




msg:3307892
 9:12 pm on Apr 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

will Google understand that i'm the original poster and credit my page rather than theirs, even though i'm a smaller site
Based on the forum posts I've seen, my understanding is that at this point in time Google has absolutely no way of determining the "original source" of an article, nor do they attempt to do so. It would require human review and judgment.

It can and does happen that content originated by one site gets used by another site (with or without permission) and winds up ranking higher for that content than the original author does. You must consider whether the benefits justify living with that.

You won't get any (Google) credit of any kind for being the original author, except that you will (presumably) be shown as the author of the article where it appears on the other site, and that's good publicity.

[edited by: SteveWh at 9:14 pm (utc) on April 10, 2007]

Syzygy




msg:3307893
 9:14 pm on Apr 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

Personally I don't really see what's to be lost in providing them with content. Market exposure from a prominent source can be gained and anything that increases credibility has got to be good; looking beyond bots, the positive certainly outweighs the negative.

However, I do take slight issue in providing them with the exact same content. If you were to do this, and at the very least, (as well as any links), I would want a rider along the lines of:

Article kindly reproduced by permission of [insert name and/or website here]. [Insert name and or website here] is an acknowledged authority on the world of widgets.

However, why not explain to the people at the other end the alleged mutual pitfalls of duplicate content and then provide them with new articles on the same topic?

Syzygy

bwnbwn




msg:3308477
 3:27 pm on Apr 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

"A very prominent site wants to start using content from my site - if they link to me will google credit my pages as being the original?"

The answer is both yes and no
Yes if the article was indexed first off your site and no if it wasn't.

So just get the article indexed on your site and yes by all means let them use all they want if the provide a link back to your site this is the

SEO dream come true an authority site using my content linking back to me yes yes yes let me use it....

Ask for or provide them with different anchor text links and sit back write away and reap the rewards of good content....

if anyone tells you different they are wrong I sure wish I would get an email asking me permission to use my articles....

tomthumb2000




msg:3320980
 7:57 am on Apr 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

hey, thanks for all the advice.

The pages concerned are fairly old and so were indexed ages ago. It seems there's no clear answer but intuitively if i were Google and i saw site A linking to site B and they shared the same content, it would be an educated guess that site B was the original.

We get featured in a little intro to each article with a link. I guess if we start losing traffic on those pages we can always get them to pull it.

dragsterboy




msg:3329616
 10:17 am on May 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

this is definitely going to be a kind of a benefit for you.

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