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Trademark symbol with or without space between
Jeremy_H




msg:3130807
 4:39 pm on Oct 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Simple question, when including the trademark symbol, which format is preferred:

Trademark™ (without space between)
Trademark ™ (with space between)

I'm concerned that without space between might cause issues with search engines and other similar tools, while with space might be weird and confusing.

I know it is probably much ado about nothing, but I was hoping to learn what others are doing. Is there a standard?

Thanks

 

Syzygy




msg:3132793
 10:27 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Always without™

Syzygy

Broadway




msg:3133790
 12:28 am on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I deal with this same issue on some pages. I took the opposite tack. I place a space between the name and the trademark symbol, precisely for the reason you suggest. At times the appearance on the page can look goofy (like at the end of the line and the name is on one line and the symbol is on the next) but I'm about traffic as opposed to esthetics. I'll gladly break a rule in order to rank in the SERPs.

When someone Googles, who keys in "KleenexTM" as opposed to just "Kleenex". Additionally, when I look at results from Overture's keyword selector tool I don't ever remember seeing a keyword and TM symbol combination.

Beagle




msg:3134981
 10:36 pm on Oct 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'll throw in my 25 years as a copy editor to say that Syzygy's answer is correct. I suppose it depends on how important it is for you to be correct.

Broadway, are you saying that search engines wouldn't truncate the word? I rely much more on organic traffic than search results, so I don't know the answer to that. But I'd be kind of surprised to learn that search engines look at only stand-alone words (although I know it's a problem with spellchecking).

[Edited because I still haven't quite learned to spell "Syzygy" correctly ;) .]

[edited by: Beagle at 10:39 pm (utc) on Oct. 25, 2006]

Broadway




msg:3135089
 12:49 am on Oct 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

I made my decision based on the fact that I really don't know how the search engines handle this situation. With each year that goes by search engines do become more sophisticated. Possibly this is a non-issue. But since I do specifically know how a search engine will handle the keyword if they are separated by a space, I've chosen the sure thing.

iseem




msg:3154895
 7:50 am on Nov 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

In the HTML the TM should be encoded as one of the following character entities...

™
™
™

...so Google won't see the letters TM. They all seem to work cross browser, though I'm not sure which is best supported pre ie6.

If you want to play it safe and add the space to ensure that Google sees the keyword, you can get rid of the space using CSS. The HTML would be:

Trademark <span id="TM">&trade;</span>

and the CSS would be:

span#TM{
margin-left: -0.25em;
margin-right: -0.25em;
}

The "margin-left" pulls the TM a few pixels to the left so it doesn't look like there's a space, when in fact there is. The "margin-right" pulls the next word in the sentence back so there's no extra space between the TM and the next word. I used em instead of px so this will scale properly.

iseem




msg:3154906
 8:39 am on Nov 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I should add that the ™ symbol is its own character and not the letters TM, so this is probably a non-issue anyway. If you Google ™ nothing comes up.

varya




msg:3155502
 8:48 pm on Nov 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

The trademark symbol only needs to affixed to the first use of the term on the page.

You could talk write about Kleenex(TM) in the first paragraph and then just call it Kleenex after that.

Happy trademark, happy search results.

Syzygy




msg:3155971
 8:58 am on Nov 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

In an editorial context it is not necessary to use ™ at all.

Syzygy

Easy_Coder




msg:3158473
 1:20 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

In an editorial context it is not necessary to use ™ at all.

I deal with one particular manufacturer that is absolutely bonkers over their trademarks. They must see it everywhere with no space or they just go ape sh*t. I was afraid that it might mess with my serp positioning but I can't say that it has.

Beagle




msg:3159080
 9:17 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I used to subscribe to Writer's Digest, and every once in awhile they'll run an issue with ads from just about any company you can think of, reminding writers to not only use the ™ symbol but also the type of product. I suppose the purpose is to make it obvious that the brand is just a name: "As she wept, he handed her a Kleenex™ facial tissue."

I suppose it's a good way for the magazine to sell a lot of ads. ;)

[edited by: Beagle at 9:19 pm (utc) on Nov. 16, 2006]

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