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Facebook sells stake in business!
dreamcatcher




msg:3920942
 2:55 pm on May 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

Facebook has sold a 1.96% stake for $200m (£126m) to a Russian internet firm, a move that values the social networking website at $10bn.

[news.bbc.co.uk...]

 

rogerd




msg:3920976
 3:37 pm on May 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

They got a slightly better deal than Microsoft did (pre-economic meltdown), but a valuation of $10 billion for FB is still pretty amazing considering their challenges in building revenue.

On the other hand, FB seems unstoppable in building membership and traffic, so presumably economic viability can happen once they are part of everyone's Internet plumbing.

Hugene




msg:3921142
 7:51 pm on May 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

DST's internet businesses account for more than 70% of all page views on Russian language websites.

That's pure gibberish in my opinion: the Russian language web is a wild and large set of sites, and unless they mean that they have small percentages of pretty much all big Russian sites (in which case they can't really say "DST's internet businesses..").

Also, they just lost $200m, because 1.96% of 0 dividend is still 0 ;)

Gomvents




msg:3921207
 9:57 pm on May 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

"Also, they just lost $200m, because 1.96% of 0 dividend is still 0"

lol I JUST told my colleague the same thing. They aren't profitable and they don't pay dividends. Bigger isn't always better, right Enron, Worldcom... ? I'm more profitable than Facebook!

grelmar




msg:3921219
 10:15 pm on May 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

"Russian Internet Firm"

... bring on the spam.

g1smd




msg:3921257
 11:16 pm on May 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

The money covers their current level of debt, just about, but doesn't do much to secure their future as far as I can see.

aleksl




msg:3921283
 12:06 am on May 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

One of the directors of DST is a member of World Bank. DST owns #2 social netrowk, and #3 russian-language website, which is also #1 email provider in Russia. The other director was former director of New Century Holdings, a largest Western firm investing in russian market.

The third director of DST worked in London and for Goldman Sachs.

So my conclusion is - DTS is not "russian" firm. It is a western firm with russian directors (who focus on russian market), and with western money.

[ceoworld.biz...]

BillyS




msg:3921300
 12:49 am on May 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

P. T. Barnum would be proud.

JS_Harris




msg:3921417
 6:56 am on May 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

Haha, there's one born every minute.

Connecting with people who are interested in buying products is profitable, throwing the best party in town... not so much.

graeme_p




msg:3923111
 5:12 pm on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

One of the owners of DST, Alisher Usmanov, is very controversial. He is known as "the hard man of Russia". I suggest looking at Craig Murray's (former British Ambassador to Uzbeckistan) blog and the Marketwatch story on this.

Digmen1




msg:3924411
 5:18 am on Jun 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

How can Facebook keep losing money, yet still be valued so highly !

There are some idiots out there.

They sell lots of ads, so why arn't they making money? They don't need many staff I imagine. Its all on automatic !

So how is anyone else supposed to make money on the web ?

StoutFiles




msg:3924432
 5:44 am on Jun 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

The few ads on the site do not supplement the outrageous server costs. The data they need to store is exponentially growing...everyday they are worse off.

Whoever "gave" them 200 million is a moron. Unless Facebook starts to charge users, they'll never make the money they need without dumb people "investing" in them.

aleksl




msg:3924755
 1:16 pm on Jun 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

Some people just don't get it.

Who's the most valuable advertising segment?
Children, closely followed by students.

Who's going to get credit cards? 401Ks? bank accounts? rent new apartment? pay outrageous education fees for practically worthless US college degree? who's buying pizzas, burgers, soda, computers, newest cellphones and newest clothing fads doing all that? who needs to be conditioned into a dumb, metrosexual consumer?

And then there's this invaluable info you are providing YOURSELVES to law enforcement and other goverment spies.

Facebook is INVALUABLE.

brotherhood of LAN




msg:3924762
 1:21 pm on Jun 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

It would be fun to query their database, that's for sure but 200M is out of the question for me...

ukfinanceaff




msg:3924859
 4:02 pm on Jun 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

"Who's the most valuable advertising segment?
Children, closely followed by students. "

Would that be because of their high disposable incomes?

Anyone I know who has advertised on FB has concluded that it is an utter waste of money, unless your offering happens to be free or very nearly free.

FB = kids with no money. Ditto Myspace and all the other "me too" social networks.

aleksl




msg:3925115
 9:40 pm on Jun 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

As I mentioned earlier, some just don't get it.

One of top 3 largest TV channels by ad revenue? Nickelodeon (kids), $1.6 bln ad revenue, and MTV $1.1 Bln.. Looks like larger is only one channel - ESPN with $3.7 bln. That is what you call "kids with no money".

Social networks are the best place for any kind of social engineering - we are talking about future consumers, future voters etc.

And while searching for that info, it was the first time in my practice that I couldn't find anything on Google and found it on the first page on Bing.com.

Digmen1




msg:3925116
 9:49 pm on Jun 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

If Russians are now part owners of Facebook does that mean it will be full of banners for Russian Brides ?

Digmen1




msg:3925118
 9:51 pm on Jun 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

One of top 3 largest TV channels by ad revenue? Nickelodeon (kids), $1.6 bln ad revenue, and MTV $1.1 Bln.. Looks like larger is only one channel - ESPN with $3.7 bln. That is what you call "kids with no money".

Yeah but they are tv channels that advertise products such as chippies and candy etc, so that kids can nag their mums when they get to the supermarket.

Kids are not going to click on more serious pay per click ads that companies such as mine want to put up.

Leosghost




msg:3925132
 10:15 pm on Jun 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

As I mentioned earlier, some just don't get it.

agree with you 100% ..access to data and forward thinking about what one can do with that data in 2,5 10 years or more ..that is the point ..

google should have tried to buy at least a stake ..they could have had everything sewn up for years to come ..that would have been all the data on everyone as they got older ..but they didn't buy in and now it's too late for them ..microsoft also missed that one ..I'm not surprised at all that a Russian company bought in ..the country is( as are many other ex soviet republics ) awash with highly skilled IT people ..If more people spent some time on Russian and other ex Eastern block sites ..or even Arab language sites they would be amazed at the levels of expertise ..and also the lack of "it's only of use if it can make me money right now " mentality ..the long view and what is needed to get there is something that very few in the west "get" ..

BillyS




msg:3925185
 12:09 am on Jun 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

>>One of top 3 largest TV channels by ad revenue? Nickelodeon (kids), $1.6 bln ad revenue, and MTV $1.1 Bln.. Looks like larger is only one channel - ESPN with $3.7 bln. That is what you call "kids with no money".

Nick is number 9 on the list I just found. And I suspect a great deal of that is for XMas gifts...

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