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Wordpress 2.7 Includes Auto Upgrade
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Msg#: 3805124 posted 2:13 pm on Dec 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

Wordpress 2.7 Includes Auto Upgrade [wordpress.org]
The first thing you’ll notice about 2.7 is its new interface. From the top down, we’ve listened to your feedback and thought deeply about the design and the result is a WordPress that’s just plain faster. Nearly every task you do on your blog will take fewer clicks and be faster in 2.7 than it did in a previous version. Next you’ll begin to notice the new features subtly sprinkled through the new interface: the new dashboard that you can arrange with drag and drop to put the things most important to you on top, QuickPress, comment threading, paging, and the ability to reply to comments from your dashboard, the ability to install any plugin directly from WordPress.org with a single click, and sticky posts.

Last, but certainly not least, this may be the last time you ever have to manually upgrade WordPress again. We heard how tired you were of doing upgrades for yourself and your friends, so now WordPress includes a built-in upgrade that will automatically notify you of new releases, and when you’re ready it will download them, install them, and upgrade your blog with a single click.

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 2:38 pm on Dec 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

From what I have heard, they'll be needing that auto upgrade feature! I understand that the changes in 2.7 are quite dramatic, which really could crash your plug-ins or have some unusual side effects. It would be REALLY sensible to back up this time round before you upgrade... and maybe wait a few weeks and check to see if anyone is having problems.

I'll just wait until my Fantastico gets it upgraded... I'll feel it's stable by then.

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 3:07 pm on Dec 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

GREAT NEWS! Upgrading and keeping secure the 100+ WordPress sites we manage was our most-hated task.

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 3:23 pm on Dec 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

YES!

>>Upgrading and keeping secure the 100+ WordPress sites we manage was our most-hated task.

And I pitied myself updating 5 blogs every month or so...

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 3:28 pm on Dec 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'll never use the auto upgrade feature because I have to make some custom changes every upgrade but I'm sure it's going to be useful for many.

A change that isn't mentioned however is that the entire commenting system was moved and is now controlled by a single call instead of being a customizable snippet of code. We're going to see a lot of bland looking comment sections since they are no longer part of a downloadable theme.

Yes, you can pass some $args with the call but none that control appearance. I suppose this was needed to make comments threadable and pageable but in changing this for my own personal use I can say that not many people will be bothered, it's not a small thing to change anymore.

I rate 2.7 a solid B however, it's definitely an improved product, comments template not being easily accessible aside.

[edited by: JS_Harris at 3:29 pm (utc) on Dec. 11, 2008]

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 5:56 pm on Dec 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

security is my number one concern, everything else can take a backseat

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 9:05 pm on Dec 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

I getting ready to "re-launch" our WordPress site, so the timing is perfect on this. Great news. Thank you, engine.

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 9:35 am on Dec 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Wouldn't auto-upgrade require you to give Wordpress permission to modify its own source code? If you're on a suexec-style server, that might be worth doing (but I wouldn't). If you're on a shared hosting that requires you to chmod 777 things to let Wordpress write to them, then enabling this feature should display a banner "congratulations! Any user on the shared server can now deface your website!"

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 11:47 am on Dec 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Slef, the documentation says this about the upgrade process: "All file operations are performed as the user that owns the files, not as the web server's user. All files are set to 0644 and all directories are set to 0755, and writable by only the user and readable by everyone else, including the web server."

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 1:29 pm on Dec 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've one standalone WP site to upgrade. I'll take a look at this "auto-upgrade" more closely when doing that.

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 3:24 pm on Dec 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

I am really worried about this auto upgrade feature. There's no way that they can do file operations as the user that owns the files for 99% of servers unless they do it via FTP - and if they do it by FTP you are in the position of having your FTP details available to a script which has regularly reported security holes.

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 9:43 pm on Dec 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

From what I read the auto upgrade feature relies on the server using something like suPHP or FastCGI, which makes PHP run as the owner of the scripts and not some general account like www. If none of those is present, the upgrader will fallback to FTP or SFTP, which requires the user to provide his FTP account details (true horror indeed).

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 11:41 am on Dec 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

Auto update is fine for some, but I feel that the less there are that have auto access, in any form, to the box, the better.

No thankyou very much Wordpress. We'll just stay the current course and update the old fashioned way ... when loads are minimal and all is quiet on the server.

I hate auto updates. I mean C'mon then. How many of you out there in www land have been working on a major project of some sort only to have it tilt when Symantec decides to run 3 or 4 instances of the LuCom all at once and every 5 minutes, for an hour at a time?

Or those of you on the Windows? Having Microsoft nag you half to death about a reboot in the middle of a support session or something?

Nope. I've come away with a certain distaste over the years with regard to auto updating anything.

Though Wordpress be only a small thing, when compared to bloatware entities like Symantec and Microsoft, the thought of the auto update still raises the hackles around here.

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 2:20 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

Upgrading and keeping secure the 100+ WordPress sites we manage was our most-hated task.

You should really look into running the sites off a single code base. You'll still need to visit all 100 sites and go through the download and upgrade process and then, when necessary run the DB update script. Can't avoid the latter, but you could still save a lot of time.

You might check out this thread as well
[webmasterworld.com...]

I hate auto updates.

I haven't upgraded yet, but I think it works like the old auto-update plugin which means that it isn't "automatic" so much as "push-button".

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 11:03 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

Has anyone tried to upgrade to 2.7 on their blogs? Any problems faced? I am planning to upgrade my blogs this weekend..

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 4:09 am on Dec 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

Painstakingly slow in IEX.

The new layout is a bit on the busy/cluttered side, and like with anything new, you'll be lost for a bit trying to figure out where everything is because of the way the menu is set up. It still has the awfull previous version look about it and here's a shocker ... it refuses to display quite correctly in IEX ... Firefox and Opera do alright with it however.

My plugins all appear to be working, and if your IEX seems to just drag when you're tooling around in the admin, try Opera ... it blazes ... even faster than Firefox.

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 1:28 am on Dec 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Have you tried Google Chrome? I just ask because I'm wondering if it's the rendering agent or the Javascript interpreter and since Chrome is supposed to be ultra fast with JS, I'm just curious.

I'm still waiting for 2.7.1 ... or .3

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 7:40 pm on Dec 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Chrome?

Not a big fan.

I tried it, and it moves along at about the same pace as Firefox does in my experience.

Don't get me wrong on this then, Google does a bang up job in many cases. It's just there isn't anything really too new or too exciting about rendering engines that have been around for a while.

Google's Chrome isn't exactly ... Cutting Edge.

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Msg#: 3805124 posted 8:13 pm on Dec 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Not a fan either (basically, at this point I'm so dependent on Roboform I won't use any browser that doesn't support it), but I was just thinking it might help isolate JS issues from others.

I just find it odd that one browser would be so much slower than another and there is quite a bit of Javascript in the WP admin these days.

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