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automan1500

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Msg#: 3331165 posted 8:27 pm on May 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi everyone,

After being on this board for less than a week I have decided that cloaking will be the only way I can compete with the big automotive sites.

I need to learn the ABC's of cloaking. After I choose a program like a few I've seen around what should be the steps I should take? After I create a throwaway domain and design pages for it for the search engines how should I link them to my main domain, or should I even do that? I'm a little confused on that point because of the banning issue and the affiliate issue. If you link to another site will the site at the end of the link be banned too? Or will the person who turned you in inform your affiliate partners so they will ban you too?

I've read that you can use your affiliate links but I was wondering if that will lead to trouble? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

automan1500

 

volatilegx

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Msg#: 3331165 posted 1:43 am on May 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

These are pretty good questions. Keep in mind that the project you are contemplating is thoroughly black-hat. Having said that, let's rub our dirty hands together and get down to business.

After I create a throwaway domain and design pages for it for the search engines...

You've already got the most important concept down pat. Put your cloaked pages on a "throwaway domain". If they are penalized, you don't want the domain(s) you are actually promoting to share in any penalties.

...how should I link them to my main domain, or should I even do that?

You don't link them.... in the sense of hyperlinks (HTML links). What you do is have your cloaking program display the html you want to show to the search engine spiders -- to the spiders; and display your sales page to human visitors. If that sales page is located on some other domain, that is no problem. Your cloaking program should make a HTTP request for that page and display it under the original cloaked URL. Note that I haven't mentioned anything about a redirect -- no redirects are used in this process.

If you link to another site will the site at the end of the link be banned too?

It's not impossible or inconceivable, but I consider it highly unlikely (and I've never heard of it happening). Think about what would happen if Google and other major search engines made a practice of this. I could get all my competitors banned by setting up cloaked web pages and funnelling human traffic to them. There is no way for the search engines to differentiate between this and what you are doing, so the practice would have serious unintended consequences of which I guarantee the "spam police" are aware.

Or will the person who turned you in inform your affiliate partners so they will ban you too?

That is always a possibility. You might want to keep a layer of insulation between your cloaked pages and the actual affiliate site. What I mean by this is have your sales page hosted on a domain that you own and control. I believe doing this will reduce this risk.

chronic

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Msg#: 3331165 posted 12:00 am on May 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

After being on this board for less than a week I have decided that cloaking will be the only way I can compete with the big automotive sites.

And were you actually READING? I tend to doubt it. Cloaking is fast money at the cost of domain and link assets, but hardly 'the only way to compete'.

DUDE.... honestly, you need to read some more if that's your opinion. Cloaking is not for the uninformed.

throwaway domain

Well, if you decide to put your business at risk, be careful what registar you use. Partnerships are alleged between google and a BIG registrar that I won't name here. A google search will turn it up ;)

affiliate partners so they will ban you too?

Well, Performics is OWNED by Google, so stay away on that front. Outside of that, I've found that you should just ask your affiliate partner if they care - some care a LOT, and some encourage affilate's cloaking, and some call you back a month later and ask... "well about that..."

volatilegx

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Msg#: 3331165 posted 6:08 pm on May 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

be careful what registar you use.

Also, take note of Google's official Registrar status. They have full registrar access to domain records.

anallawalla

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Msg#: 3331165 posted 4:53 am on May 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

They have full registrar access to domain records.

But not to private registrations, yes? I used to work for a big-5 registrar and was told that we could not get private reg data through our own resources.

volatilegx

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Msg#: 3331165 posted 10:13 pm on May 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

You probably know better than I.

Silvery

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Msg#: 3331165 posted 7:14 pm on May 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

automan1500, have you only been working on getting your site to rank for a few weeks, too?

You can get your site to rank without using cloaking, and doing so might be a whole lot more towards a sustainable strategy.

The big auto sites rank because they've got a lot of authority in their topic area, and lots of valuable inbound links.

If you work on your link development instead of spending time on cloaking and throwaway domains, you might find it better in the long run.

Try adding a blog on your site and writing good articles of interest about your industry and you may be able to develop a lot more inbound links. Comment on related blogs.

Also, try providing interesting widgets that would appeal to people/sites in your industry.

You may perceive cloaking as a shortcut to your goals, but I'd say that's a bit like planning bank robberies: for the same amount of work and effort you can do something else that has a lot less risk and could work better into the future with less maintenance.

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