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is cloaking still effective for generating SE traffic
does cloaking still work?
foxtrot

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Msg#: 3141725 posted 1:23 am on Nov 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have been involved with a fairly large scale IP delivery campaign for just under a year. The category we are targeting is moderately competitive.
The project is managed by a third party...and let's just say it isn't cheap! Don't worry, I won't be revealing the name...but they are fairly high profile in this relatively underground sector.

Well the thing is we are nearly 12 months in and so far the effects, in terms of SE traffic generation is really not very significant at all...like 50-100 uniques a day from a total of 150 cloaked domains.
There is also a large scale SEO project supporting the cloaked pages...I guess that's why the solution is so expensive.

The current traffic mainly is derived of very tail term typo's too.
99.9% of the pages indexed are supplemental results also.
Should that be a concern?

I should add, that these domains are new ie registered at the start of the project and as I understand it(from the vendor) the domains will still be in the "sandbox" resulting in weak traffic, however upon release things will improve significantly.
I suppose this could be accurate for Google but what about the other SE's...does Yahoo! have a Sandbox that keeps you held in for a year too?

One thing that I have noted is that the actual SE spider crawls have been significant crawled.....but is that a good measure of success?
Is crawling automatically followed by indexing and then ranking?

Is anyone out there in a similar position to me?
Conversely is anyone out there experiencing fantastic traffic results from cloaking?
Of course I'm not asking for specifics etc I suppose at base level I'm looking for reassurance!

Interested in hearing from all, Particularly the latter as it will help with my now very disturbed sleep.

 

foxtrot

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3141725 posted 5:03 am on Nov 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

wow! it's really active here....

volatilegx

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3141725 posted 3:07 pm on Nov 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi foxtrot, yeah sorry, it's been kind of quiet in cloaking lately. I think a lot of cloakers (and I personally know that the technique is very popular) don't like to admit they practice it.

I think the questions you ask apply to non-cloaked pages as well as cloaked, so you might get a better response over in the Search Engine Promotion [webmasterworld.com] section of the forums...

I can answer some of your questions tho:

One thing that I have noted is that the actual SE spider crawls have been significant crawled.....but is that a good measure of success?
Is crawling automatically followed by indexing and then ranking?

So your site is being crawled. That's good... the SE's know you exist. It isn't really an indicator of success, though. I've seen heavy crawling on sites with poor or non-existent rankings. Crawling is not always followed by indexing, especially if duplicate content is found.

Conversely is anyone out there experiencing fantastic traffic results from cloaking?

You should not expect improved results in search engine rankings based on whether a site is cloaked. Cloaking is mainly a defensive technique to keep pages from being page-jacked (old-school) or scraped.

Domains with cloaked pages have the same chances of getting rankings as non-cloaked pages. In fact, the last thing you want is for your cloaked pages to have some distinction from non-cloaked pages (and what could give them higher rankings except some kind of distinction, right?).

The fact that you are seeing the pages in supplemental indexes is actually encouraging. New domains often appear in the supplemental index (Google's "sandbox") until they age for awhile and/or improve their "trust factor" through incoming links from trusted, on-topic domains.

You can try to avoid the sandbox for your domains by purchasing "aged" domains that have been registered and active for awhile. If you can do so and maintain the original theme and incoming links, you may be able to keep the original Pagerank of the domains, and keep or improve the domains search engine rankings. Of course, this may not be economically feasible.

brizad

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Msg#: 3141725 posted 1:43 am on Nov 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think part of the issue has to do with the increased focus on incoming links for ranking in general, and on top of that links from "authority" sites as being more important. That and the sandbox effect. But as was just said, that's true of any site--cloaked or not.

Google is pretty tough that way and Y! is getting more so. But MSN is still pretty easy to get ranked on.

Who's going to link to a cloaked site? Almost no one right so you have to create your own network of links. But what I've seen is that over the last few months that incoming links from blogs are being deprecated, especially if they're SBLOGS (spam blogs). So it's not as easy to set up your own "link farm" or network like it used to be and still get good results. It can still be done quite effectively though but I'm not telling you how ;-)

brizad

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3141725 posted 1:47 am on Nov 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

One more thing...

RE: "Well the thing is we are nearly 12 months in and so far the effects, in terms of SE traffic generation is really not very significant at all...like 50-100 uniques a day from a total of 150 cloaked domains.
There is also a large scale SEO project supporting the cloaked pages...I guess that's why the solution is so expensive."

If you've spent 12 months and lots of bucks you may as well have built yourself a "real" site and spent the money on SEOing that. Then you'd have a real site that could get real links and real rankings, and then you could cloak some other sites and have them link to your real site. That's kinda like playing both sides of the fence which is a good strategy.

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