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Black-Hat (cloaked) and White-Hat Sites on the same Server
x_just_me




msg:3034018
 9:20 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I want to buy a VERY RELIABLE dedicated server from a
hosting company that also allows me to buy IPs.

I will set up an IP where I will put up ONLY shadow
domains on it. SEs will see highly-optimezed pages and
users will get redirect to my White-Hat sites that are
on the same SERVER but on a different C-class IP.

The reason why I don't want want my shadow domains on
another host, is because I found a very reliable host
and don't want to switch.

Here's my Q:

Will the SEs ban my white-hat site because they figured
out that both the cloaked and white-hat sites were
hosted by the same hosting company?

Here's my #2 Q:

When the cloaked site will be banned, will it be safe
to put more cloaked sites on the same IP the banned
site was on?

Thanks,
Cris

 

Quadrille




msg:3034051
 9:57 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Q1 Hopefully, yes

Q2 Hopefully, no.

No way to tell for sure - but if there's ever a manual investigation of your spamming, then all related sites may get what they deserve.

In general, however, Google does not look at servers - just web pages.

QualityNonsense




msg:3034082
 10:45 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Without wanting to sound rude, if you're asking these questions, the answer if that you shouldn't be getting involved with anything blackhat. If you don't know exactly what you're doing, you're going to get your fingers (read: whitehat sites) burned.

x_just_me




msg:3034100
 11:08 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the replies! Keep 'em comin'!

QualityNonsense, so what if I get smacked in the head
once or twice? I'll just suck it up, learn the lesson
and improve my strategy.

Probably the best way to do this is to simply get a
server at another host where I'll put my shadow
domains. That will probably solve my problems.

SEs won't ban a site that gets redirected from a shadow
domain because they know a competitor could easily use
that against you.

P.S. I don't want this thread to turn into a "is
cloaking ethical" debate. ;)

volatilegx




msg:3034343
 3:01 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Use different nameservers for your blackhat and whitehat sites and you'll probably be OK.

Hopefully the nameservers' domains will have different whois info, too.

You can get pretty paranoid worrying about this sort of thing, can't you? ;)

I don't think QualityNonsense was starting an ethical debate... he was just warning you that amateurs can get burned doing this. BUT... the only way to learn is to jump in. I think you are starting off on the right foot by asking these questions. At least you seem to know what kinds of questions you should be asking and you understand that it is important to compartmentalize your risks.

QualityNonsense




msg:3034404
 3:41 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Apologies if my reply sounded abrupt - that wasn't my intention. Rather, I simply meant that it is very easy to get penalized by Google, so why risk your whitehat sites trying to run before you can walk.

the only way to learn is to jump in.

100% true. First things first, read up on one of the big blackhat blogs on how to segregate whitehat/blackhat projects (eg, different hosts, different C-block IPs, different nameservers, no obvious link network etc).

x_just_me




msg:3034530
 5:16 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Apologies if my reply sounded abrupt

Don't worry about it - I didn't find it abrupt.

I'll buy a dedicated server from another reliable host, where I can put my shadow domains.

Thanks for replies everybody! ;)

rankboy




msg:3036693
 12:41 am on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I agree with volatilegx. It is always best to have the info be as different as possible, whois, nameservers, ip classes etc. However you can make yourself pretty paranoid trying to make sure everything is unique, especially if you are administering a lot of domains.

My opinion is to keep white hat on a completely separate server and at least a different C class. Cloaking can be rewarding but it is also incredibly risky and comes with its own penalties. If you keep everything separate than you are in the best position.

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