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Google Pulls Back From China, Redirects Google.cn to google.com.hk
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Msg#: 4102523 posted 7:10 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

Google Pulls Back From China, Redirects Google.cn to google.com.hk [googleblog.blogspot.com]
earlier today we stopped censoring our search services—Google Search, Google News, and Google Images—on Google.cn. Users visiting Google.cn are now being redirected to Google.com.hk, where we are offering uncensored search in simplified Chinese, specifically designed for users in mainland China and delivered via our servers in Hong Kong. Users in Hong Kong will continue to receive their existing uncensored, traditional Chinese service, also from Google.com.hk. Due to the increased load on our Hong Kong servers and the complicated nature of these changes, users may see some slowdown in service or find some products temporarily inaccessible as we switch everything over.

 

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 7:21 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

Pulls back from China, but according to Google's definition.

CNNIC will discontinue to resolve Google.cn soon.

(Naive) Shareholders who do not have a clear overview may think Google continues to operate its business in China (in Chinese search).

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 7:57 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

So now they are breaking chinese law? Chinese firewall will now have to block google ?

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 8:05 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

No need to block. Google will fail its annual ICP registration for sure and CNNIC will discontinue to resolve the domain google.cn.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 10:13 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

really silly way to handle this.

Acrill

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 10:29 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

No, they're not breaking Chinese law.

Two points to note here:

First, Hong Kong law is different than Chinese law until 2047 or so. Freedom of the press and freedom of expression are protected in Hong Kong.

Second, Chinese law has never actually defined the obligations that Google and other internet companies must comply with in China. They've always had to guess about what to censor and what not to censor to keep the Chinese council happy.

China is not ruled by carefully defined and respected laws. They are ruled by a corrupt mob who rule the country according to whim.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 10:37 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

They are ruled by a corrupt mob who rule the country according to whim.


Not sure how that differs from all other countries.

loner

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 10:48 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)


Not sure how that differs from all other countries.


Or Google

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 10:52 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

I don't know what Google expect. If you want to do business anywhere you need to respect the local laws.

Mack.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 11:05 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

I don't know what Google expect. If you want to do business anywhere you need to respect the local laws.
Ho do you do that when the laws are vague and poorly defined? Guess?
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Msg#: 4102523 posted 11:06 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

Oh Google. silly, sick, stupid or smart?

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 11:06 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

Seems like an elegant solution to me. They can't stop the Chinese government from censoring anything it wants, but they won't help them do it.

tntpower

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 11:14 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

It is not 19 century. Google is not English East India Company and China is not Qing Dynasty. Google is doom to fail in China thereafter.

Baidu will be very happy with it.

Jo555

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 11:27 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

Probably too smart for it's fooling the chinese goverment.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 11:48 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

China has been a difficult market for Goggle to penetrate. Probably the first time the landslide did not happen.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 11:54 pm on Mar 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

<Baidu will be very happy with it.>

Not so fast ....

If China extends the Great Wall to cyberspace I see no value in giving my websites' content to Baidu.

I've been thinking about banning the Baidu spider from my websites.

Any comments or suggestions?

directwheels

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 12:26 am on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

mayor, you don't have to give your site to Baidu to index, MANY other sites will.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 12:50 am on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

If China extends the Great Wall to cyberspace I see no value in giving my websites' content to Baidu.

The Great Firewall of China has been in place for many years. China has long monitored and regulated the internet usage of its citizens...much like many other countries.

This thread is not about banning the Baidu spider, and WebmasterWorld is not the place to make any calls to action in that regard. Our TOS is fairly clear on that.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 1:03 am on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

The Great Firewall of China has been in place for many years.


True.

It secures my SMTP port from massive volumes of unicode spam!

[sorry, couldn't resist]

However, I'm not sure this is going to even make a dent in Google's bottom line.

They'll probably end up being more profitable in the short run not supporting Google in China.

tntpower

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 2:04 am on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

I've been thinking about banning the Baidu spider from my websites.


Baidu does not care too much about your site if it is not a Chinese content site.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 3:33 am on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

It isn't a good news for me.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 3:49 am on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

I don't worry about Baidu. They respect my robots.txt (which is a whitelist).

China has become a major economic trade partner for materials and goods but there remains a disconnect regarding politics and ideology. Materials and goods are one thing... information and ideology are horses of completely different colors. I do not see that changing anytime soon. Google is an information company butting heads with ideology.

China is Google's Waterloo, IMO.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 5:04 am on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

Google can't fool the chinese goverment, they know that. What they really want to fool is the rest of the world. They still want the rest of the workd think they are the hero by playing the game as if they are fighting for freedom etc, while fewer and fewer people trust them and respest them.

Google is China's Waterloo. Their stock price is telling this.

peily



 
Msg#: 4102523 posted 7:16 am on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

I don't know what Google expect. If you want to do business anywhere you need to respect the local laws.

Mack.

i agree with you,the company bigger or country bigger? Is doomed to fail.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 8:08 am on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

wonder if the great firewall will block google's spider bots. if so, that will be a lot of information unavailable to google search.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 8:27 am on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

Over the last year or so we've looked at the integration of Google into the Chinese market. It has not gone that well. Baidu remains market leader in that country. No telling how many millions Google invested into that market with little result. Besides the alleged hacker intrusions, which might be an excuse to vacate, there's no doubt that Google has not found economic success in China (according to their terms of success). Some Chinese sites have benefited from Google in the meantime and are crying foul over the departure and demanding compensation for lost income. How that flies we are yet to learn.

It just looks like the Google blueprint failed to capture market in China, perhaps because of the difference in culture and language, not to mention political ideology, and just as important internationally is signs that Google's inroads in Germany and Italy are also being contested.

Hong Kong, theoretically, is good for uncensored until 2047. I am interested in seeing how long those Google feeds will be piped into China...

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 9:42 am on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

Its only Google Searches that are blocked, iGoogle and Google Music etc still work on the .cn domain.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 12:52 pm on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

Congrats to Google. They did the right thing. Lets not forget how this whole episode started, with a severe hacking incident. Glad somebody has the stones to stand up to them and put principle ahead of profit.

I have blocked the Baidu spider many years ago via robots.txt because I could see no benefit from their aggressive crawling. We don't plan on ever doing business with Chinese consumers and I wanted to conserve bandwidth.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 3:33 pm on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

I think the Chinese leadership should realize, that their people are a lot smarter, than they think they are, and that there citizens have a good idea of world events.

Do they think that by uncensoring the net, they are going to bring a revolution. That's a rather unhealthy level of parnanoi from the Chinese leadership.

I understand the slow patch to reform, given the complex makeup of China, but they only have until 2047, to come up to the same standards as Hong Kong, at least when it comes to the rule of law.

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Msg#: 4102523 posted 4:04 pm on Mar 23, 2010 (gmt 0)

It's now being reported that the Chinese Govt. are moving to block Google Hong Kong. msnbc has the story.

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