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Anybody making acceptable money Outside of Adsense?
The Adsense Alternative way
silverbytes




msg:3643276
 8:06 pm on May 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Adsense seems to be the only reliable alternative for serious webmasters. Many webmasters say Yahoo is working almost as good as Adsense or at least is a good #2.

Unfortunatelly is not available all over the world.

Is anybody making acceptable money (IE: 50% of adsense income or even 30% or 20%?) in other alternatives?

I've tried Amazon and Chitika and really get near zero there. Chitika was around 2% of Adsense and Amazon 0%.

 

J_Evans




msg:3643303
 8:37 pm on May 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

I never even got accepted and I have only been waiting going on two years. Google took me right away. So I guess my answer would be that for me Yahoo doesn't work so well. Commission Junction is a bust, Ad Brite is ok so far but I just started and Text-Link Ads I got going about 3 months ago and so far they are good.

Jamie

purplecape




msg:3643311
 8:47 pm on May 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

My Amazon income is about 25% of my AdSense income. That's on a niche site I work on very part-time, earning maybe $1K/month.

Amazon is not a good alternative to AdSense, though, because it takes work. You can't just put up a banner. You have to write a review or otherwise support a sale.

annej




msg:3643599
 6:40 am on May 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

Amazon and AdSense can work on the same page as each is so different. With Amazon I put book ads up that relate to that page. Amazon makes about 1/3 what AdSense makes for me. On page that doesn't give related AdSense ads Amazon is nice because you can make your ads related.

I found Yahoo had terrible targeting. I think it's because they don't have large enough an inventory of ads.

MFKaHB




msg:3644295
 10:28 pm on May 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

There are those who claim to make millions with affiliate sales.
This is the moment for them to speak...

lorax




msg:3644319
 11:16 pm on May 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

>> This is the moment for them to speak.

Why would they?

In my testing I've had better luck with Adsense over affiliate sales on a niche market site. 2-1 more sales. I haven't worked on the site for more than a year and it just continues to grind along on it's own.

Malibucreek




msg:3644344
 12:05 am on May 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

Don't forget direct sales. With Google AdManager or OpenX, ad management can be free and easy... all you've got to do is sell the ads. Yeah, I know, that's the trick. But some of us are doing it, and if you've got good content and a significant audience, closing a sale isn't that hard. I know that's not everyone's cup of tea, but it is a real option, so I thought it ought to be mentioned.

skibum




msg:3644358
 12:53 am on May 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

Affiliate stuff - CJ, LinkShare, etc... hands down over contextual stuff. For affiliate stuff it is sales you are doing though, NOT advertising.

eljefe3




msg:3644407
 3:23 am on May 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

There's so much more money in affiliate sales if you get in the right competitive markets. However no one is going to give you a free slice of their pie by telling you which these are, but if you check your spam mail, this will give you a good idea of what is making money.

dbcooper




msg:3644429
 4:48 am on May 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

...damn parachute...

Hello eljefe3 long time.

I'm about 50% adsense, 40% direct sales, and 20% aff. No wait... oh well, close enough. Surprisingly, there's been no bleed-over from adwords advertisers or aff merchants converting themselves to direct sales, so, yes, you're going to have slap an "Advertise Here" link in the footer and come up with an ad delivery system and pricing plan. Prepare yourself for some hand-holding, as many of your clients will be totally braindead when it comes online marketing.

lorax




msg:3644658
 12:33 pm on May 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

>> sales, NOT advertising

Good distinction to make. PPC advertising is a more immediate return versus affliate sales.

CatLady




msg:3645090
 7:32 pm on May 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

So far this year it's 95% affiliate sales and only 5% Adsense for me. When launching a site, I usually start out with both AdSense and affiliate links together on the same site and determine how to proceed after some time passes. If affiliate links are showing promise, I will usually remove all traces of Adsense so as not to "compete" with the affiliate links. I've never been able to make a decent amount with Adsense unless it's a reasonably high-traffic site - and even then it's still been pretty pitiful :(

MFKaHB




msg:3645292
 11:10 pm on May 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

This is the moment for them to speak.

Why would they?

Well, perhaps because this is a forum and some of us might want to learn something from the big players? Or have I missed something?

iamlost




msg:3645427
 4:03 am on May 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

There are two types of ads - those through a distributor and those you sell direct.

AdSense is the easiest and usually the best (niche dependent) of the first type. However, my longterm goal has always been to constantly decrease its percentage - by raising alternative revenue streams percentage not by decreasing AdSense amounts. Why? Because Google is taking a big slice for the convenience.

To sell ads directly in a big way requires highly targeted high traffic volume, solid appropriate traffic and demographic analysis over time, and getting your foot in the door at likely niche companies and ad agencies. My direct ad sales have gone from minimal to a major and still increasing portion of the bottom line.

I know many of you go to webdev conferences and ask many an AdWords and AdSense question. How many of you go to the industry conventions your niche site targets and get known to those companies ad/marketing folks? How many of you go to ad agency conventions and get to know the players in your niche markets? Why not?

AdSense (and similar) are the default ad revenue streams while building a site and for filling in holes later on. The real ad money is your own program sold directly. Well worth working towards.

And the same is true of affiliate revenue. Third party is simple, direct is much more profitable.

wrgvt




msg:3645943
 5:24 pm on May 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

Well, perhaps because this is a forum and some of us might want to learn something from the big players? Or have I missed something?

In affiliate marketing, everyone is a potential competitor. Those who make a lot of money doing it have done the work, the research, tried and failed, tried and succeeded, and know they can make more money by being better at it than the next guy. They're not going to give up hard-earned knowledge beyond answering general questions and technical knowledge.

Me, I'm 95% affiliate income and 5% AdSense and other advertising and doing well with it.

MFKaHB




msg:3646049
 7:06 pm on May 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

In affiliate marketing, everyone is a potential competitor. Those who make a lot of money doing it have done the work, the research, tried and failed, tried and succeeded, and know they can make more money by being better at it than the next guy. They're not going to give up hard-earned knowledge beyond answering general questions and technical knowledge.

I presume most forum members already know that.

But the question was not for the big players to spill their secrets, the question was if anybody is making acceptable money Outside of Adsense.

Perhaps some of the big players are prepared to give an insight in their earnings. Are they making 100K, 500K or perhaps 1000K a year? And without going into specifics, are they achieving this with their own private advertising deals or perhaps with the big networks like CJ?

[edited by: MFKaHB at 7:06 pm (utc) on May 9, 2008]

jimbeetle




msg:3646090
 7:33 pm on May 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

the question was if anybody is making acceptable money Outside of Adsense.

AdSense came along fairly late in the game as far as making money on the 'Net is concerned. There were people making money before AdSense. There will be people making money after AdSense.

CatLady




msg:3646824
 5:58 pm on May 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

Perhaps some of the big players are prepared to give an insight in their earnings. Are they making 100K, 500K or perhaps 1000K a year?

OK I'll bite - although nowhere near being a "big player" (I wish...) I've been able to do roughly $75K net of all hosting/domain/PPC expenses annually. The vast majority (approx 70%) is all from one particular INDEPENDENT (ie not through any affiliate network like CJ) affiliate program. So if they ever go belly up, it's going to take some serious scrambling to find some other good programs to fill that gap. Not exactly rolling in obscene amounts of dough with a lot of security, but it sure beats the heck out of the office grind any day by far :)

BrandNewDay




msg:3647464
 6:35 pm on May 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

No, I am not making decent money outside of Adsense.
The affiliate business is a complete mystery to me.
I have been experimenting with the big networks like CJ and tried the obvious Clickbank. Their programs always cost me money.
CJ because I am not capable of getting a decent conversion with them, and Clickbank, well because some of their merchants just seem to be crooks. I am going to build some new sites and who knows, I might give the affiliate business another try.

BrandNewDay




msg:3647465
 6:37 pm on May 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

BTW Catlady, thanks for the info. $75.000 looks rather impressive to me. Is your nickname connected to the topic of your site(s)?

CatLady




msg:3647915
 3:03 pm on May 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hehe - tried a cat site once only to make about $0.36 grand total from Adsense. No, I just love cats (have 6 of the rascals) :)

silverbytes




msg:3648289
 9:30 pm on May 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Anything you can recommend to use in conjunction with adsense, already tried chitika eminimalls with no success, and amazon worst still.

eljefe3




msg:3648443
 1:04 am on May 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

Find an affiliate program that compliments your site. Say you have a site about cats, then you sell collars, toys etc.

lorax




msg:3648452
 1:14 am on May 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

The trick, IMHO, is to find something that no one else is trying. I know folks who burned through hundreds of domains in a year trying different ways of scamming Google AND trying something that hadn't been tried before. Most of it tanked and sank but some of it worked and occasionally they rode the top of the bell-curve and made a heck of a profit. Adsense, affiliate marketing force you into dealing with your competitors on a common level. You'll rarely win and score big if you stay at that level within a market space. Think BIGGER and jump the curve. Do something that hasn't been done and you'll be rewarded - occasionally.

mfishy




msg:3650134
 8:46 pm on May 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

I have made a couple bucks with aff programs over the years.

If you have a site and just want to "throw up ads" to "compliment" your content then adsense would be best. Guys like me first decide what sells and THEN get sites and copy built specifically to sell (or generate leads) for specific offerings. So for me, adsense is a total joke - 1/20th the earnings of affiliate programs.

mfishy




msg:3650137
 8:48 pm on May 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

The trick, IMHO, is to find something that no one else is trying.

While I have no doubt that works at times, my strategy is to promote things I already know work and find ways to beat the competition. In really great niches, you don't even need to beat the competition. A small piece of the pie can be 4 figures daily.

skibum




msg:3654254
 7:18 am on May 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

& at this point in the game its great if you can find something no one else is doing. If you do you either got really lucky if you can make money from it or nobody is doing it because there is no money in it.

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