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Sitewide Links: What are they Worth?
Will pay you $5000 a month for sitewide links.
shoreline




msg:3596660
 7:49 pm on Mar 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

This is the offer I recently received and I need your help to determine if it's a deal or something I should stay away from.

- The Offer -

  • Place a graphic on the main page of my site that points to a landing page (also on my site) that then links to affiliate site.

  • A link in my navigation that points to a landing page (also on my site) that then links to the affiliate site.

  • A text link ad on a large number of pages that goes directly to the affiliate site.

I have not seen the contract yet, but it is a month to month and the affiliate/advertiser will pay the $5,000 monthly fee in advance.

The affiliate/advertiser's site is not a fly by night operation and has been around for some time.

- A little about my site -

My site has a good amount of traffic. I only use adsense and have never participated in anything else other than adsense or ypn type programs (no selling of links, link exchanges, etc). Any outgoing links are those I found would help my visitors and I'm selective on those links.

- Ramifications -

What are the ramifications of accepting such an offer? Am I being taken for a ride? Here is what I imagine could happen:

  • A large increase in outbound links added to my site.
  • Less adsense revenue, not only on the pages that have their link, but because my CTR may drop, I may be smart priced, right?
  • Decrease in ranking as outbound links increase.
  • My site turns into a portal for the affiliate.
  • Perhaps Google would see the site I'm mass linking to as more important than mine? (place them higher?)

I've worked very hard to make the site what it is today and I hate to think that I could damage it by not seeing something I should (sometimes money blinds us).

What would you do? What are your thoughts? What am I missing or am I being overly protective?

 

pageoneresults




msg:3596683
 8:00 pm on Mar 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

Overly protective? I don't think so. While the offer is appealing at $5k per month, the long term effects are not, at least from my perspective...

Place a graphic on the main page of my site that points to a landing page (also on my site) that then links to affiliate site.

A link in my navigation that points to a landing page (also on my site) that then links to the affiliate site.

A text link ad on a large number of pages that goes directly to the affiliate site.

That is a lot of "leakage" for an existing well established site. It is sure to raise a flag somewhere. If not, someone will make sure it does.

I'd be a bit more strict in how much "leakage" I would allow in a situation like this. I'd be looking at the first option only...

Place a graphic on the main page of my site that points to a landing page (also on my site) that then links to affiliate site.

And a possible price renegotiation. ;)

ken_b




msg:3596766
 9:07 pm on Mar 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

A link in my navigation

This is an ad, it has no place in your navigation.

This is the kind of offer I wouldn't even respond to.

LifeinAsia




msg:3596820
 9:43 pm on Mar 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've gotten several "offers" like this in the past few weeks. All have very similar wording. All have signanture names that don't match the e-mail name. And all use Hotmail or Yahoo or other free e-mails. I also don't bother replying- it sounds most likely to be some kind of link scam and you'll never see any money from it.

shoreline




msg:3596889
 11:03 pm on Mar 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

Glad to hear I'm not paranoid!

For what it's worth, I've communicated back and forth with this person, verified the company and talked in person over the phone. It is a legitimate company, but I'm not sure what the real motive is… I feel like I'm missing something.

pageoneresults




msg:3596985
 1:01 am on Mar 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

but I'm not sure what the real motive is… I feel like I'm missing something.

Based on the above requested arrangements, the end result is that it will "leak" a good portion of your PR to their affiliate site. They want to leech off of every single page and I believe they've covered all their bases with the above requests. Personally? I'd steer clear of that one, no matter how "legit" the company may appear. Man, it sure sounds like a proposal I received a few months back too...

netchicken1




msg:3597023
 1:50 am on Mar 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

I got that also :)

After going through the "over the moon" period I realised its just another mlm scam.

BillyS




msg:3597028
 2:02 am on Mar 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

>>I've gotten several "offers" like this in the past few weeks.

Me too. And yup, my research tells me this is a MLM scam.

King_Fisher




msg:3597141
 5:37 am on Mar 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

If it sounds too good to be true it probaly is!...KF

vincevincevince




msg:3597144
 5:42 am on Mar 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

Accept and get a contract in writing with a year's minimum term. Put up all links with rel="nofollow".

shoreline




msg:3597429
 2:28 pm on Mar 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

I thought a mlm scam was more of a 'work from home, make $12,000 a week type deal' rather than the company contacting you directly, but advice taken, thank you.

Good idea on the nofollow, will do should I move forward.

I love the idea of dealing directly with the advertiser rather than depending on Google, but if this change is going to impact my rankings and my traffic dies, then advertisers won't have any interest in the site.

Sounds like what everyone is saying is to forget it and keep doing what works?

webwannabee




msg:3598130
 4:15 am on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

What are they selling? Do you get the money for the ad placement or do you get a percentage of the sale.

Doesn't sound too bad to me if the product is legit.

seoArt




msg:3598131
 4:20 am on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

I have doubled my advertising income in the past by taking some of my top adsense advertisers out of adsense (using the competitive ad filter) and joining their affiliate programs.

I put the links on my site with a "nofollow" and I've been enjoying the extra income.

It is possible that this advertiser has run site-targeted ads on your site through Adwords, and knows that he gets great conversion rates. If it's about conversions, I would definitely give it a try (with a "nofollow").

If the advertiser is just looking to by links that pass PageRank, I would not do it, since that could get you in trouble with Google. The advertiser will probably be open with you about his motives, especially if you mention adding "nofollow" to the links :)

smallcompany




msg:3598141
 4:38 am on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

My company is in affiliate business and while running valuable sites, I cannot imagine that I would ever put $5K/mo into links from one site only, no matter what that would be about.

What is that being worth of $5K/month for those guys? It takes a lot of valid traffic to make $5K in commissions.

In theory, they could be one of those that have their ads on your site through AdSense. …but just in theory, and BTW, if they are having them, you should know that already.

Have you thought about possibility that your visitors would be capable of spending that much money through their site, so it is OK for them to pay you $5K/mo?
Does your site earn much more than $5k/month? If one makes a claim they’ve figured your site converts well for them, they must be spending at least 10K on AdSense already (your site only). You get a portion of it through your AdSense.

Finally, the seller writes the contract, not the buyer, right? For example, if you were to sell links, you would put the rules out.

michael webster




msg:3598146
 4:45 am on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

1. Unless the offer is from someone running adsense on your site, there is no way they can offer and pay you 5k a month.

2. If they are running adsense, and want to by-pass Google, your TOS with google requires you to contact google about it. (New version of do no evil.)

jomaxx




msg:3598152
 5:09 am on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

$5K a month seems more than fair to me. If they're a real company, and you're to be paid in advance, and they're not "blind" links of some kind, I don't see any problem. There could be Google ranking problems of some kind, as you are aware, but only you can determine whether the reward outweighs the risk.

Just don't let them string you along. No ifs, ands or buts: If the check doesn't arrive, the links come down. This is a variation on an old stock market adage - don't let a profit turn into a loss.

If they are running adsense, and want to by-pass Google, your TOS with google requires you to contact google about it.

Huh? I don't think so. Please provide a cite.

Jane_Doe




msg:3598154
 5:14 am on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've gotten a number of these offers sent to different sites of mine and so have people in other webmaster forums. It appears to be just another scam.

Web_speed




msg:3598182
 6:37 am on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

MLM scam, beware!
You will not see a cent + risking losing your SE ranking.

Got a number of these emails...deleted immediately. Smells like a scam from the get go.

eljefe3




msg:3598234
 8:48 am on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Just get cash up front, and then make sure their ad meets with your approval.

Nothing wrong with selling links/ad space as the one who says don't sell links, sells links.

Clark




msg:3598263
 9:41 am on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

I always like to look at things from different perspectives. Like taking an anecdote a friend might tell...replacing "victim's" name/situation w/ the "perpetrator" and vice versa. Or putting myself in the shoes of the difference parties and think about how I'd act... Helps you learn about sexism, racism, other 'isms & hypocrisy.

The home page title for this thread says:
Affiliate Links For Top Dollar - Are We Blinded By $$$

Funny, but the offer is not all that different than having adsense link units with a splash of adsense images on your site.

Does that mean if Google doesn't get a cut, it's a dangerous (risking G penalty) scam (blinded by $$$) as some have suggested, but if Google does, then it's ok?

rj87uk




msg:3598272
 10:25 am on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

I would say go for it! With the extra money you make you could always buy yourself some new links, get listed in some nice directories and then have money left each month for say, a holiday?

I don't think his offer sounds too bad, just make sure you get the money up front and I think it would be fine.

RJ

Animated




msg:3598378
 12:41 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

i would askfor advanced payment:)
and if its banners maybe you wouldn't have to be worried because the spiders cant follow those banners that are usually flash/javascript.

rj87uk




msg:3598398
 1:08 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Animated a thread you might be interested in:
[webmasterworld.com...]

RJ

Edge




msg:3598400
 1:09 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

$5,000 monthly fee in advance.

Usually, any offer that sounds to good to be true - isn't true and is a scam.

Blue chip companies that advertise directly with quality websites can and do pay significant amounts for static ads on Index and other pages with great visibility.

Do your due diligence and make sure you understand exactly what you are getting into. This includes the topic and quality of the ads. Moreover, ensure that you have an “out cause” in your best interest on the agreement or contract. Don't be afraid to ask for contract modifications and don't do the deal without a signed agreement, purchase order, or contract of some flavor.

Business is business…

[edited by: Edge at 1:11 pm (utc) on Mar. 12, 2008]

stormy




msg:3598407
 1:14 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Isn't this the scam where they sent you a check for more money than agreed and ask you to wire back the difference? Just read about it recently somewhere else.

Their check ends bouncing and you're out of the "extra" funds you wired back.

Philosopher




msg:3598433
 1:34 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Could it be a scam? Sure. Could it be legit? Absolutely.

It's hard to say without knowing your market, your site, etc.

You definitely want to get the cash in hand which you already mentioned you would be. I'd also want some wait period if it's a check to make sure it actually clears and possibly do some initial verification on the check.

Lastly, as another poster pointed out, I'd definitely nofollow the links, but I'd go a step further. Any links that are leaving your site, I'd also run through a redirect that I disallowed in the robots.txt file. I'd also consider doing the same thing to the landing page links, but definitely any links leaving your site.

ildarius




msg:3598455
 1:48 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Without getting too much of your privat information, certain things need to be uncovered in order to judge the situation.
1) How high is your PR (is it worth for them to go after that?)
2) What is your traffic aprox/month (can the conversion rate be high enough for them to make over 5K$)
3) How big is their company? (may be it's more of a brand marketing they are after)
4) How are they paying you?
Find out if may be it's a phishing web-site that's trying to pass for the real thing and wants your links.

It all depends on the variables

incrediBILL




msg:3598556
 3:37 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

If they don't have a problem with you putting a NOFOLLOW on all those links to that advertising page I'd give it a try as long as the contract has a simple escape clause.

JoshInTX




msg:3598593
 4:04 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

As long as you are getting paid up front and you aren't dealing with someone who will get you blackballed (for ex. p0rn), I say go for it. A lot of people are screaming SCAM, but just be smart and make sure you have certified funds before doing anything. Don't put up the links until the check clears and if they are ever late on a payment, the links come down.

Also, this is NOT an outrageous amount to spend on a link. As an affiliate marketer, I pay a lot of people a lot of money every month to advertise my sites. It's just a numbers game. My guess is that they are/were an adsense advertiser and decided they can cut out the middle man (Google) and deal directly with you, allowing both of you to make more money. I have one such site I advertise PPV on through adsense that I would GLADLY pay 5k a month for a static ad.

sugarrae




msg:3598604
 4:16 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

1. The title of this thread is either misleading or ignorant. This is not an "affiliate offer" because affiliates make money when they actually produce something and aren't simply paid a flat fee. This is someone who wants to *advertise* on your site, not do an affiliate deal.

2. >>>I cannot imagine that I would ever put $5K/mo into links from one site only, no matter what that would be about

Then you are not in a highly competitive industry, because I can tell you that for seo value, many industries would pay this for a link from certain sites. Hell, even not for SEO value, there is a top celebrity gossip blogger who gets that a WEEK for a redirect ad on his site. All depends on your purpose, intent and the site in question.

>>>3. Unless the offer is from someone running adsense on your site, there is no way they can offer and pay you 5k a month

@michaelwebster you're so wrong... I have affiliate programs paying me five figures a month for commissions being generated from one site... and they're not the only affiliate we work with or website we own in that position...

Also agree with @incredibill's advice *IF* this is a site you care about Google rankings for.

Additionally, if the company is willing to pay you 5K a month to promote them, it's because they're making more than that. So, you may want to look into the affiliate space for this product/service and give that a try as well.

My two cents...

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