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Affiliates? can you really make a living?
how worth the time are affiliate sites?
iFixSolutions

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 11:48 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

OK.. so i'm very new here.. i'm very new to affiliate sites and web marketing.

i never really thought about making money on the net.. i'm an IT guy by trade and run a side business as an Macintosh IT consultant. Over the years i learned how to code clean html and did go to design school early on. i build static/basic (non php/sql) sites for clients that need them and refer the bigger requests out to the folks that can handle that kinda stuff. but the other day i was talking to a friend of mine and she was talking about buying websites to make some side money. also, buying domain names and turning them over. so queue my hand to my forehead with a giant "i'm so stupid.. why haven't i been looking into this before."

i'm burned out on consulting.. i don't want to drive around anymore.. i don't want the stupid questions and the two hours of sitting in traffic for the one hour of work. i want to move my side business to the web and just forget about everything else. so i've been looking at affiliate sites because they seem to take the least work and your job is primarily marketing at that point.

well i burned myself. i jumped in without looking and bought a medical site that, let's just say, has been cracked down on by the DEA. so when i tried to run some cpc ads the big boys (yahoo / google) said "no no.. we won't let you run those ads." to get the traffic i want to start making commissions is going to take a lot of pushing on my part and after posting another discussion on WW have decided to hold the domain name but forget about the program. pretty much everyone said it's not worth it. (guess i'll use my enhance credits for something else.. yahoo gave me my money back)

so that's the overview. the real question is.. do affiliate programs work? what affiliate programs are good money makers? which ones should i avoid (aside from the obvious.) how do people that are making money get their traffic? cpc? like i said, i'm beyond a newbie with this stuff.. i definitely don't understand how to develop links (i read that term, i don't know what it means :)) but i do know it can't just be throwing money at it and getting a high ROI.

this article: [webmasterworld.com...] gave me hope. he's cashing in and getting out.. ultimately that's what i'd love to do too. i want to buy a bar and i don't want to get their as a consultant :)

 

incrediBILL

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 1:50 am on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

Affiliates? can you really make a living?

Been making 6 figures off affiliates & AdSense for a few years now.

So the answer is 100% YES!

I posted a thread this month you should read that might help:
[webmasterworld.com...]

ogletree

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 3:09 am on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

What kind of business is 100% offline? Any business you do should still have a website.

tsinoy

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 3:26 am on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

I agree with mfishy if you find a way to make money online .. you should try to replicate it 1 or 2 times.. if it works... make a simple system out of it then hire someone and make sure they do it all day... of course the math has to make sense.. ie. you should make more than what you pay em.. on my employee's first month he generate an income for me that exceeded what I paid him....

if things are still good then replicate replicate replicate...

some affiliate money making school of thoughts..

1. content is king(blog, articles, reviews, community forums, etc) - make money through adsense sites or affiliate links beside your articles
2. ppc direct to merchant
3. ppc to your site with your merchant's offer
4. ppc to squeeze pages and collect email, then email the offers, you can email other offers to the same set of customers
5. create your own ebook a how to ebook about something.. and sell it online.
6. others.. that other folks here might be able to share.

Any of these strategies can go a long way... you don't have to do all of them to make a living...

tykoon

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 3:53 am on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi iFixSolutions,
It is really very possible to make good income from Affiliate marketing. even better than Adsense.
I have been AM for 3 years now, and I feel happy to say that I am now averaging $20,000 per month from AM.
You just need to study & work hard on that.

frup

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 5:39 am on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yes, you can definitely make a good living through affiliate marketing. If you can build a successful website in a lucrative niche, you can make a tremendous amount of money, much more, I believe, than is possible through Adsense.

That said, it's quite difficult to establish a successful website in any good niche, there is a lot of competition.

Overall it's more important to be smart than to put in a lot of hard work. It's very possible to work extremely hard, and even to generate a lot of traffic, and make nothing. Affiliate marketing is all about targeted traffic. It's extremely hard to sell widgets to someone unless they are already interested in buying widgets. You need a site that attracts those people, one way or another.

A lot of people on this thread have been bragging about how much they make through affiliate marketing. Though I can't vouch for any of these specific claims, I can verify that if you can rank well on search engines for lucrative search terms it's quite possible to make many tens of thousands of dollars a month.

Whitey

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 11:42 am on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think that the definition of an affiliate is too undefined as is a "living".

But ..........

many good folks here would be supplementing their core income with additional websites;

then there would be another group that makes it their fulltime personal activity

and then there would be those that pump out multi - millions of income as part of a minor to major commercialistion of either their's or their stakeholders business'.

The bottom line is "affiliate" sales are a form of distribution and the complexity and scalability will vary according to the scope of skills and resources applied.

Some succeed and some don't - as always - but the answer from many on these discussions and others should be testimony enough to the potential for you to be very well rewarded, when smart ideas and good business principles are applied.

ashear

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 11:58 am on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

Whitey, I agree. As I have sat on both sides of affiliate marketing I have seen individuals make a tremendous amount of money as well as little to nothing. Depending on the effort that they put in.

mfishy

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 12:56 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)


>> It takes a lot of hard work to make money as an affiliate

Oh, really?, I would say in terms of "money for the time spend" nothing can beat AM...Boredom, now thats a whole different issue happy!

LOL, i was thinking the same thing - there have been times where it was a lo of work but times when it has been so unbelievably easy it is almost laughable. I can't think of any other area where one can earn this amount with so little work. Of course, some people here are probably building and mainting massive sites = the easy money will not come there!


>>The critical, most important aspect (other than some traffic) is selecting the right merchants. We cant talk about that stuff here but try and do some research . It is make or break.<<

true.. we can't talk about it here. but how do you go about researching. where is a good place to look and start figuring out who are good affiliates to get in bed with? i'm a pretty smart guy and i'd love to get out of my 9-5, but i've already sort of resigned myself to working at this for years before being able to make a move like that.

i'd like to hear more about your system as well. you're the only person i've heard talking about it in terms of 250k being low. seems like everyone else is down in the 5 digits, not 6.

To start, forget about programs that sell stuff (that can come later). If they do sell something, make sure they offer a free trial of some sort. The best are LEADS.

I cannot run down every single aspect that makes a program good but here are some you can test:

1. Either no phone numbers on landing page or phone number but not prominently displayed.

2. Affiliate Manager dedicated to program that responds within 24 working hrs.

3. If pay per lead, SHORT FORM. If pay per sale CHEAP PRICES. Many will argue that pricing isnt that big of an issue, but IME, with 10000 sites competing for the sale of a single product, price is very relevant. Bein too expensive does not help.

4. If they tell you how to bid (except on their name) in ANY way, they suck (even if you dont use ppc). This generally means they want to "have their cake and eat it too.

5. The Merchants affiliate promotion copy should speak about their excellent conversions, tools, support, money...NOT how great of a company they are. You have to read between the lines but many sites are using aff marketing more as an almost free form of branding. We are not branding, we are selling and could care less about the wonderful nature of their company.

I could make a list of 100, but those are a few. Mainly, stop trying to sell stuff when you can get paid to have people submit their info. A transaction converts 5x as often when the customer never has to whip out their cc.

Ok, now if you are a pretty smart guy, which I assume you are, it shouldn't take years to get this down. Rather a few months - unless your job is paying big, than perhaps a bit longer. Also, not to get corny here, but if you have "resigned yourself" to anything you are sure to fail.

As for hearing about my systems specifically, I will just assume you are kidding. But the gist of it is to find semi-automated ways to deliver visitors to merchants. This can be ppc, seo, and even print ads. Once a profit is made, the key is you must be able to replicate this process many, many times over without effort.

I'm not going to get into money and should not have approached that subject. I am sure "a lot" of money is different to many people. I will just say that I know tons of folks living just fine through only aff marketing.

Hoping for the best for you! Maybe we can do a project - how to turn a guy from making -$33 a month to $33,000 in 3 months - prolly sell a lot of ebooks at the very least :)

<sorry about spelling and grammar - I am a lazy affiliate. I mention this because many think I am from Kazakhstan when I am in fact living in NY>

iFixSolutions

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 4:42 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

>>1. content is king(blog, articles, reviews, community forums, etc) - make money through adsense sites or affiliate links beside your articles
2. ppc direct to merchant
3. ppc to your site with your merchant's offer
4. ppc to squeeze pages and collect email, then email the offers, you can email other offers to the same set of customers
5. create your own ebook a how to ebook about something.. and sell it online.
6. others.. that other folks here might be able to share.<<

such good info.. This cleared up a lot of grey area's for me. i kept reading on programs on CJ and a lot of them were talking about keywords. i never even though about sending traffic directly to the affiliate site through PPC.

what is a squeeze page. i understand the idea of building an email list then sending affiliate links to them, but what does a squeeze page do?

mfishy

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 4:45 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

i never even though about sending traffic directly to the affiliate site through PPC.

since a url can only be displayed once in the ads, do you plan on outbidding the actual merchant or did you have a different strategy in mind?

iFixSolutions

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 4:58 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

>>unless your job is paying big, than perhaps a bit longer. Also, not to get corny here, but if you have "resigned yourself" to anything you are sure to fail.<<

ok, maybe "resigned" was the wrong word - more like assumed. with some of the other responses i've had, those being the first responses i've received on WW, most people say they've been at it for X amount of years (usually 2-4) and had finally been able to leave their J O B. i was starting to get the feeling that that is a reasonable amount of time to expect before you start to really see livable returns - if that's what's to be expected i was fine with that. i'm all for working.

>>As for hearing about my systems specifically, I will just assume you are kidding.<<

i was looking more at more descript generalities. sort of what tsinoy just layed down. round about info.. no name dropping or specifics. :)

>> To start, forget about programs that sell stuff (that can come later). If they do sell something, make sure they offer a free trial of some sort. The best are LEADS. <<

i was thinking the same thing. my month old blog doesn't have a lot of lead potential, it's going to generate most of its revenue through adsense just based on the content - that's already obvious to me. but when i'm on CJ reading through different programs the ones that always caught my eye were the lead programs. it just makes sense. i have a roommate that works in mortgages and that's all he talks about.. buying leads, how much they're worth.. and it's just gathering of info for potential sales. so much easier than generating the actual sale. the person hasn't bought anything..they're just interested in knowing more and possibly buying.

[edited by: iFixSolutions at 5:27 pm (utc) on April 1, 2007]

iFixSolutions

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 5:03 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

>>since a url can only be displayed once in the ads, do you plan on outbidding the actual merchant or did you have a different strategy in mind? <<

see, i don't know. i hadn't really thought about it. i don't know if that's a route i'd even take once i did.

part of me is against paying for ppc initially. i'd like to learn a lot more before planning my actual route. that's why the blog was so attractive to me. it costs me nothing other than my time and gives me the ability to play with affiliates while learning SEO.

tsinoy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3277991 posted 6:47 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

iFixSolutions, nowadays, I hear more and more people complaining about google hating squeeze pages, its basically a site that collects email, that gives people free newsletter or reports and they eventually establish a relatisonhip with you via email then market to you via email marketing.

there's other strategies to make money online.. doesn't necessarily mean you need to be an affiliate as well.

Here are some more examples.
1. Write a great blog and people link to you, you get a high page rank, then have a page that lets your users buy you coffee or tea every month and then you link to them on that page. - I know its selling links but why not?

2. One day you find yourself you need to do something, and you hop on the web to find that utility or tool, you couldn't find it, and you think people could use something like it... you can fill that need.. so basically you can build one or have someone build it, and sell it online via subscription or put ads beside it.. whatever...

3. As mfishy mentioned, leads are great programs, what if you found a niche that there's no one running a lead program.. for example maybe you found yourself moving to a new state.. and you couldn't find a site that caters to this need, maybe you can contact a bunch of moving companies that will be willing to buy your leads if you generate it for them... I'm sure if they have good business sense some of them will want to give it a try... :) come to think of it this is similar to 2. but oh well...

I find one of the most powerful thing in this business is not the programs you'll find... which program or merchant is money makers - those change quite a bit but believing you can make it work and make a good living or even make huge money from AM... is the secret... believing it everyday... every minute.. then you'll find yourself noticing a lot of good programs to run.. and ideas will just pop up to you...

anyways, be innovative and have fun..

skunker

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 7:23 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

Here's what I did...

I used to run like 5 websites--all of them were topics I was passionate about. However, as the years went by, I found I was not as interested in about 3 of them and also did not have the time to keep them updated. I was getting burned out even though I was making decent money per month just off adsense alone. However, during the past two years, I saw one of my sites take off big time and I knew it had so much more potential--I could also expand the topics of this site into a few more niches and become an authority site. However, I needed cash...but I did not want to use my own money. So I decided to sell off all of my sites except for 1-2 of them and use the money and invest it into my 2 sites.

I am doing this now and so far it's working great. I got people to buy my 3 sites for more than I thought it was worth--now I have about a years worth to play around and focus on these 2 sites, and at the same time, these 2 sites are bringing in great revenue ever month. My quality of life also improved as now I can focus on just 2 sites instead of losing hair over trying to keep everything updated.

I'm a control freak, but I need to start believing in letting other people help out.

iFixSolutions

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 7:40 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm a control freak, but I need to start believing in letting other people help out.

i have a feeling that will be my problem, too. once i get to the point where the only way to grow is to bring someone else in i know i'm going to struggle handing work over.

incrediBILL

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 7:50 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

A lot of people on this thread have been bragging about how much they make through affiliate marketing.

There's a big difference between bragging and trying to encourage and motivate others to succeed. Letting people know others have had a positive and lucrative experience in this arena should encourage others to try and shoot high as well.

FWIW, I know people doing this that make a ton more than I do and others that make a lot less, but the question of "can you really make a living?" is easily answered YES if you have the skills or are capable or learning the skills to do it.

With that said, go forth and prosper of the 'net!

iFixSolutions

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 8:16 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

There's a big difference between bragging and trying to encourage and motivate others to succeed. Letting people know others have had a positive and lucrative experience

bill.. this thread was the best thread i've ever started :) i'm beyond encouraged right now. there's so much info and so many different routes you can take though. encouraged, yes.. overwhelmed.. absolutely. but then you come across things like this:

wow.. rfung, I didn't know you went back to the 8-5 thingy...

I was inspired by your thread 2 years.. back.. you won't believe how much I make now...

and it gives you some very real hope and you know that you're in the company of people that will help you move up and that will be happy for you when you do. i know what my goal is.. rather, my target "happiness" amount, and from the sound of it, what i want is on the "low" side. THAT... i'm completely cool with. :)

Whitey

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 9:49 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

There's a big difference between bragging and trying to encourage and motivate others to succeed. Letting people know others have had a positive and lucrative experience in this arena should encourage others to try and shoot high as well.

Well said.

Aim for nothing and you're sure to hit nothing.

Aim for success and you will surely achieve.

2create

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3277991 posted 1:27 am on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well I made it to the six figure club in 2005 and quit my job last year thanks to affiliate marketing. One of the big reasons I found success is because I've chosen programs that pay residuals. For example I've been reselling domains since 2002 and the residuals are what's helping me tremendously.

I'll just mirror what everyone else has said. It's all about finding a topic you are interested in and building the best dang site on the topic you can. Seek out your competitors and provide info and tools that they don't. Make people want to bookmark your site and find programs that pay good commissions.

[edited by: encyclo at 1:34 am (utc) on April 2, 2007]
[edit reason] no specifics please, see terms of service [/edit]

vivalasvegas

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 6:52 am on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

I've been doing this for 5 years now and when looking back I'd make some changes. Focusing on making money might help you achieve some short term success. But for a long term higher level of success I believe money should be the side effect of your work and you should focus primarily on building traffic, on providing a useful service for as many people as possible.

mfishy

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 1:03 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Inevitably, these conversations turn into what really amounts to two totally seperate topics.

1. Affiliate marketer that is creating pages/traffic for no purpose other than to drive sales to merchant

2. Those who are creating useful sites and content and (many say they are passionate about the topic.)

I think some folks call this the "type a and type b affiliate".

In the future, we may as well divide these into seperate threads. Me? I will promote womens hair removal syatems or futons if it makes money. I am not trying to create return users nor do I care about the topic - it is more like being a salesperson (without the hard work and all that butt kissing).

crobb305

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 3:27 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Inevitably, these conversations turn into what really amounts to two totally seperate topics.
1. Affiliate marketer that is creating pages/traffic for no purpose other than to drive sales to merchant

2. Those who are creating useful sites and content and (many say they are passionate about the topic.)

I agree 100%. Many people hear (or read online) that they can make money from the internet. When I tell people what I do for a living, they normally say "yeah, I have been wanting to start a website." If they actually do it, their goal is to make extra money; if they do an affiliate site, it normally ends up being an abandoned junk page with a bunch of affiliate links/banners and no content.

When I started my website 6 years ago, I also wanted to make extra money. But, it started from and still remains a passion. It took me a while to learn html early on, and my site was ugly, but I have really enjoyed writing content, and watching the site grow.

It seems so arrogant to me when people dismiss what I do as something so simple everyone can do it. Ultimately, after 6 years of very hard work and patience, I have built a thriving business. Makes me wonder, when Bill Gates started his company and he told his friends what he did for a living, did they reply with "yeah, I have been wanting to start a software business too. Can you give me some pointers?" LOL

Anyway, I meant no offense to the original poster by my rant. It was a good question; I just wanted to make new members more aware of the work and dedication it takes for longevity in this business.

buckworks

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 4:07 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

everyone can do it

Many people could do it, but only a few do.

The primary difference between winners and wannabe's is not ideas, not skill, it's ACTION.

iFixSolutions

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3277991 posted 4:53 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Me? I will promote womens hair removal syatems or futons if it makes money.

i'm in the same boat. my initial plan was to go the blog route.. i'm still going that route. am i passionate about it.. not really. do i need to be to enjoy it still.. not really. it's a niche.. i chose the niche because a. it's easy. b. it's really catchy and the people that enjoy it have no idea (and could never find out) that what i'm posting everyday i really don't have a lot of actual interest in.

regardless of that fact it takes time.. lot's of it. effort.. lots of it. building traffic is first and foremost.. then after that it's going to be about expansion. expansion will come later when i know exactly how i want to expand.

that is site number one. site number 2 and 3 i have no idea. that's where you guys come in :)

mfishy.. you were talking about leads at some point.. i'd like to bring that topic back. leads just make sense.. but how do you typically drive traffic to a lead site? ppc?

iblaine

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3277991 posted 5:36 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Affiliate Marketing is just an enabler for e-commerce. Of course you can make a living off it. I've worked at an affiliate network, as a publisher & an advertiser. Too many people look at a click or a conversion and think how I can I turn $1.00 into $1.10. What's more important than an immediate ROI is to ask yourself how can you create value. Create value, bring something to your customers and figure out a way to monetize your traffic. Affiliate Marketing just happens to be one popular way to monetize your traffic. But that's all it is, a marketing channel...many more exist.

mfishy

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 5:45 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

mfishy.. you were talking about leads at some point.. i'd like to bring that topic back. leads just make sense.. but how do you typically drive traffic to a lead site? ppc?

I post links on your blog to better my search engine positioning :)

j/k couldn't resist. I think that you need to read the other forums, like google, yahoo, msn, adwords, link development, etc - thats where the info on building traffic is.

iFixSolutions

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3277991 posted 5:51 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think that you need to read the other forums

wait. there's other forums here? :)

kool002

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3277991 posted 6:33 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have a question to members who posted a very healthy income through aff marketing.
suppose if PPC is not allowed at all. what effect will it have on your income in terms of percentage. Reduce by 10 , 20, 40%. no change or whatever.

Reason I am asking is that I only want to do aff thing using Route B - content site.

QualityNonsense

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3277991 posted 6:36 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you're doing PPC to drive traffic to affiliate programs, cashflow will likely become an issue sooner rather than later.

Many CJ merchants, for example, will pay months post-click to counter fraud etc. Your credit card bill will doubtless arrive far sooner.

Make sure you factor in declined sales (or a sudden turn in conversion). And as someone already mentioned, get a good cashback credit card if you're spending any serious amount on PPC.

SEOPTI

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Msg#: 3277991 posted 8:47 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

I know mortgage leads via CJ/bfast are a nice cash cow if you are able to get traffic.

iFixSolutions

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3277991 posted 9:34 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

I know mortgage leads via CJ/bfast are a nice cash cow if you are able to get traffic.

yeah.. i saw that too. they don't exactly work on my site, though.. well they definitely don't fall under "targeted" anyway, but i figured what the hell and put a couple up anyway figuring lots of folks have mortgages, need to refi, or don't know their credit score. no takers, but when you're only getting 40 uniques and making 30 cents a day i guess you can't expect much :)

[edited by: iFixSolutions at 9:36 pm (utc) on April 2, 2007]

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