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Spyware/Scumware - Losing Affiliate Sales
What can we do as affiliates?
Rob_Cook




msg:3223850
 5:23 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

I am looking for suggestions and idea as to what we, as affiliates, can do to reduce lost sales/traffic that are 'hijacked' by other affiliates via predatory advertising.

 

hunderdown




msg:3224021
 6:57 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Report them in detail to the merchant running the program.

Is this still as big a problem as it was a couple of years ago? I was under the impression that things had improved....

Michael Anthony




msg:3224157
 8:47 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

"What can we do as affiliates?"

Live with it, and concentrate on making a profit.

Esteban




msg:3224171
 8:56 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hello,

I am having a problem understanding how the spyware hijacks the sales. I think I can see how it could if it is limited to the major merchants like Amazon and eBay, but does it also apply to small "mom and pop" type sites who offer affiliate programs?

In other words, it is safe to simply list the true affiliate links (without cloaking) for smaller affiliate programs?

Rob_Cook




msg:3224290
 11:20 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Esteban, it applies to every affiliate - regardless of size.

You get a visitor to your site. That visitor clicks on #*$!.com who you link to on an affiliate basis.

The spyware customer who targets #*$!.com visitors then has their page load over yours, with their affiliate link.

They get the sale. You get shafted.

[edited by: Rob_Cook at 11:21 pm (utc) on Jan. 18, 2007]

cmendla




msg:3226818
 4:32 pm on Jan 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

There are some affiliate programs that have a stated policy of zero tolerance for scumware. IOW they make sure that the publishers have sites and that the clicks are coming from the publisher's site and not some parasite. The main problem is that these programs usually have lesser known merchants.

the other thing you can do is to do a google search such as

site:www.linkshare.com "parasite free"

or something like that, for the different affiliate programs. That should bring up a fairly decent list of merchants within the program who profess to have zero tolerance for parasites - Read the individual merchant info.

The reason that parasitic/scumware programs exist is because it is tolerated by the affiliate programs and the merchants. They make their money and don't care if the honest publishers get the dirty end of the deal.

However, working with those merchants who are parasite free should help things for publishers.

Cg

centime




msg:3226835
 5:14 pm on Jan 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

So where does the scumware physically reside?

is it on the visitors pc like a virus

Rob_Cook




msg:3226849
 6:05 pm on Jan 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yes, it's downloaded onto the user's PC, frequently as a 'bundle' in the smallprint when they download something else.

Marcia




msg:3235238
 12:06 am on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

With merchants who allow parasitic "affiliates" into their programs, nothing can be done but to write the AM complaining. But living with it, and accepting being victimized by predators isn't an acceptable option - when a parasite over-writes your cookies, they get the profit, not you.

If there alternative merchants who run clean programs, move on and let the AM know you left because you don't like the idea of them allowing those practices.

mr_lumpy




msg:3239217
 7:56 am on Feb 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

Here is an example of scumware:

A popular Firefox Plugin that lists the "true" cost of an ebay auction (it shows a little box with the shipping/handling fee + item cost).

This Firefox plugin also changes all of "your" affiliate ID codes for all ebay auctions (and all CJ/linkshare affiliates) to their own. They hijack your sales - they make the money, because your ID has been removed and replaced.

artdog




msg:3239995
 9:14 pm on Feb 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hmmm my questions are how would an AM determine scumware was residing on someones computor? Isn't that asking alot?

How would an AM determine an affiliate was doing this?

TrustNo1




msg:3240169
 11:50 pm on Feb 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

"Hmmm my questions are how would an AM determine scumware was residing on someones computor? Isn't that asking alot?
How would an AM determine an affiliate was doing this?"

Some affiliate managers let them into their programs so they get in that way. Some don't know much about the subject and don't have a clue. Some do know and let them in anyway. It's not in the merchant's best interest but it can make the affiliate manager look like a superstar. Like they're really bringing in the sales when it's really the adware is just sitting there targetting the merchant's domain. So most of the time the merchants are paying for traffic that otherwise would be free. Dumb.

But for those that want to run a clean program, there are services out there (not many) that will monitor their program for them, since it's a lot to look after.

[edited by: TrustNo1 at 11:51 pm (utc) on Feb. 1, 2007]

Go60Guy




msg:3243627
 11:36 pm on Feb 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Some affiliates go to the length of disguising their affiliate links using javascript, .htaccess w/php jump pages and the like. The degree to which parasites have worked around such techniques, I do not know.

[edited by: Go60Guy at 11:40 pm (utc) on Feb. 5, 2007]

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